xmas 2020: a dear friend invites me to annual party being thrown by mutual friend who works for a famous newspaper (the big famous one).. i've been to many of his parties in the past. wanting to be a good soldier, i text newspaperman to let him know i'm coming but also want him to know that i don't wear the hygiene theatre prop.
"fine with me, but let me just check with the people who are here," he texts back.
15 minutes later he calls me. "i'm totally ok with that but there are people here who would be uncomfortable [this is nyc, covid has been extinct at this point for about six months]. i have an extra mask, would you be willing..."
i tell him i'm looking forward to seeing him when this madness is over. since then, crickets. paradigmatic moment.
There's a psychological term called projection that explains this: a part of your ego rejects some part of yourself as no good, turns it into a shadow self and then projects these flaws onto others, who you then hate and blame for your own failings. I've tired of hearing twitter true believers, mega jabbed and wearing a mask in their sleep, who are just so angry that they got Covid again because they went somewhere where some people weren't wearing a facemask, so obviously they caused their coof. This would be impossible to prove for various reasons, but what they are really doing is venting their rage at being conned...
True. But now I want to reread some of Ken Wilbur's stuff on projection that I remember. The two terms are interrelated but projection strikes me as a better fit regarding facemasks. The reason for this is that we are all biological, living humans, who need to breathe, eat and drink, so the need to not wear facemasks at certain times is intrinsic in all of us.
I read about this back in graduate school but never saw a video regarding it. I have hazel eyes and always wondered how they'd classify those with odd colors. It really is chilling how quickly discrimination can pop up and how profoundly it affects you.
yesss! i also think that the forces behind this evil are projecting their own risk averseness on the world. speculators are like that, they think the computer's going to give them the sure bet every time. and gates/bloomberg/zuck et al are consummate speculators
My husband’s siblings were in town in late 2020, and I was really questioning the masks, natural herd immunity denial, the PCR tests, the whole thing basically. One of the sib’s is a scientist, the other works for a famous college out east. So I started asking questions, thinking they’d be up for a rational discussion. One ended up saying, “But people are dying!” while the other one sat and made faces at me all night. I’ve never seen such absurd immaturity in so-called professional people in all my life. I had assumed they were well educated and intelligent. (They have all the right credentials.) This is not how well-educated, intelligent people behave. We haven’t really spoken since. My husband got mad at ME. Just awful, what this horrible Fauci lie has done to people. I am definitely not ready to forgive and forget. Maybe if they’d just apologize. I doubt they ever will.
I really do wonder how the jabbed are processing all of these sudden deaths. I'd think they have to know on some level but it's too scary to think about so they aren't going to. I know they bought in a lot of artist types with the idea that they couldn't play various venues if they didn't get the jab. Some might have felt at the time that it was genuinely the good thing to do to protect their fans and family. I wonder about the mental processes of those more on the fence...and the mental processes of those who went full on mentally deranged about it too..
I am the only unvaxxed in my entire family and it has been difficult being the odd one out. At one point my step mother wouldn't let me visit my Dad last summer. I was so angry that these 2 intelligent people could be that dumb. He passed out and fell after his second dose, was in the hospital for a week and was found to have blood clots in his lungs and legs. I got completely shut down when I suggested that it could be the vax causing the clots. My children are both completely pro vax and got their 2 doses. My 18 year old had a heart attack and has myocarditis and pericarditis. I cannot even get a straight answer from the cardiologist as to whether he'll fully recover. Sometimes when he sleeps in I check on him to make sure he's breathing. I had to make sure the doctor told him in front of me NOT to get the booster or he probably would have. My kids have only had the minimum vaccines they needed to attend school. I refused many of the others and it was always a heated discussion with the pediatrician that I dreaded.
I'm tired of the blank stares and being accused of being a conspiracy theorist so unless I know I am speaking to someone likeminded, I keep my mouth shut.
Lost a friend of over 20 years who accused me of spreading lies. Sibling publicly shamed me for sharing something in a PM. Parents had to debate whether I was welcome for Christmas. One other sibling only got poked in order to travel so there might be hope of her coming around. The rest are swimming in the kool-aid.
I'm sorry that you had to go through that especially heartbreaking with your daughters. I'm really happy you're standing your ground though. Sometimes I think that is the path back: set up alternative venues that require none of this nonsense and let the compliant be starved out.
xmas 2020: a dear friend invites me to annual party being thrown by mutual friend who works for a famous newspaper (the big famous one).. i've been to many of his parties in the past. wanting to be a good soldier, i text newspaperman to let him know i'm coming but also want him to know that i don't wear the hygiene theatre prop.
"fine with me, but let me just check with the people who are here," he texts back.
15 minutes later he calls me. "i'm totally ok with that but there are people here who would be uncomfortable [this is nyc, covid has been extinct at this point for about six months]. i have an extra mask, would you be willing..."
i tell him i'm looking forward to seeing him when this madness is over. since then, crickets. paradigmatic moment.
There's a psychological term called projection that explains this: a part of your ego rejects some part of yourself as no good, turns it into a shadow self and then projects these flaws onto others, who you then hate and blame for your own failings. I've tired of hearing twitter true believers, mega jabbed and wearing a mask in their sleep, who are just so angry that they got Covid again because they went somewhere where some people weren't wearing a facemask, so obviously they caused their coof. This would be impossible to prove for various reasons, but what they are really doing is venting their rage at being conned...
Could be projection, could be mass formation.
Step One: Inability to see all evidence that opposes the narrative.
And the two may be related on some deep psych level. see also: scapegoating the "other"
True. But now I want to reread some of Ken Wilbur's stuff on projection that I remember. The two terms are interrelated but projection strikes me as a better fit regarding facemasks. The reason for this is that we are all biological, living humans, who need to breathe, eat and drink, so the need to not wear facemasks at certain times is intrinsic in all of us.
Amy, are you familiar with the Jane Elliott blue eyed, brown eyes exp.?
You got a bit of this going on as well. Tribal signifiers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLAi78hluFc
I read about this back in graduate school but never saw a video regarding it. I have hazel eyes and always wondered how they'd classify those with odd colors. It really is chilling how quickly discrimination can pop up and how profoundly it affects you.
We are Primates!
Mass formation seems to be reliant on a tribal primitive urge.
Unleashes it. Still studying.
You need the outgroup for it to work, it seems.
yesss! i also think that the forces behind this evil are projecting their own risk averseness on the world. speculators are like that, they think the computer's going to give them the sure bet every time. and gates/bloomberg/zuck et al are consummate speculators
My husband’s siblings were in town in late 2020, and I was really questioning the masks, natural herd immunity denial, the PCR tests, the whole thing basically. One of the sib’s is a scientist, the other works for a famous college out east. So I started asking questions, thinking they’d be up for a rational discussion. One ended up saying, “But people are dying!” while the other one sat and made faces at me all night. I’ve never seen such absurd immaturity in so-called professional people in all my life. I had assumed they were well educated and intelligent. (They have all the right credentials.) This is not how well-educated, intelligent people behave. We haven’t really spoken since. My husband got mad at ME. Just awful, what this horrible Fauci lie has done to people. I am definitely not ready to forgive and forget. Maybe if they’d just apologize. I doubt they ever will.
i was in a band. we practiced inconsistantly this last 2 yrs.
but during, I was the only unwhackscened member.
I am also the only one who has no children. All men.
For them I am additionally horrified at the prospects for their kids.
When one member pushed me about the jab, I stepped away,
clumsily, from the group. 2 were respectful, 1 was demanding.
All were buying in with varying degrees of faith. Dont know where
they stand now, but as (3) fathers I fear for their and their kids lives.
They totes bought in from all I know. Boom. Depop.
The last time I saw one member, he seemed embarassed.
Could have been because I did not approach him. Not sure.
I really do wonder how the jabbed are processing all of these sudden deaths. I'd think they have to know on some level but it's too scary to think about so they aren't going to. I know they bought in a lot of artist types with the idea that they couldn't play various venues if they didn't get the jab. Some might have felt at the time that it was genuinely the good thing to do to protect their fans and family. I wonder about the mental processes of those more on the fence...and the mental processes of those who went full on mentally deranged about it too..
I am the only unvaxxed in my entire family and it has been difficult being the odd one out. At one point my step mother wouldn't let me visit my Dad last summer. I was so angry that these 2 intelligent people could be that dumb. He passed out and fell after his second dose, was in the hospital for a week and was found to have blood clots in his lungs and legs. I got completely shut down when I suggested that it could be the vax causing the clots. My children are both completely pro vax and got their 2 doses. My 18 year old had a heart attack and has myocarditis and pericarditis. I cannot even get a straight answer from the cardiologist as to whether he'll fully recover. Sometimes when he sleeps in I check on him to make sure he's breathing. I had to make sure the doctor told him in front of me NOT to get the booster or he probably would have. My kids have only had the minimum vaccines they needed to attend school. I refused many of the others and it was always a heated discussion with the pediatrician that I dreaded.
I'm tired of the blank stares and being accused of being a conspiracy theorist so unless I know I am speaking to someone likeminded, I keep my mouth shut.
Hug...
Lost a friend of over 20 years who accused me of spreading lies. Sibling publicly shamed me for sharing something in a PM. Parents had to debate whether I was welcome for Christmas. One other sibling only got poked in order to travel so there might be hope of her coming around. The rest are swimming in the kool-aid.
I'm sorry that you had to go through that especially heartbreaking with your daughters. I'm really happy you're standing your ground though. Sometimes I think that is the path back: set up alternative venues that require none of this nonsense and let the compliant be starved out.