Certified Industrial Hygienist Stephen Petty's testimony before the New Hampshire State Senate Health and Human Services posted on YT which is taken from from the over 4 hour long hearing that was lived- streamed on March 30, 2022, in which Stephen Petty appears at 2:17:34 . You can find that original source here:
STEPHEN PETTY: My name is Stephen Petty. I'm a certified industrial hygienist, certified safety professional, professional engineer. I've been working 45 years in the field of health and safety. I spent my entire life trying to protect workers and the public from toxins, I've sampled for anthrax, biotoxins, the whole list. I've been in over 400 cases named with respect to exposure control and exposure and PPE [personal protective equipment]. And most recently I testified in the state of Kentucky, and a result of my testimony the mask mandate was overturned statewide.
So let me introduce the topic of industrial hygiene. Industrial hygiene is not well understood by many. We have a lot of physicians talking about industrial hygiene, it's not their field. Industrial hygiene is the science and art devoted to anticipation, recognition, evaluation, control of environmental factors and stressors that can cause you to be sick, make you feel bad, or even kill you. And I've testified 400 times in those sorts of cases.
The problem is that we have a lot of physicians talking about things like that, and they be perfectly talented folks, but it's not their sandbox. When I'm in trials we have a physician that talks about the disease, and I talk about exposure and exposure control and PPE.
The last physician, that talked earlier, I'm here to show you that every statement he made is false.
1:42
END OF EXCERPT
6:32
STEPHEN PETTY: The problem is, you cannot seal a mask by definition. A mask that seals is a respirator.
6:49
STEPHEN PETTY: In industrial hygiene, we don't look at solutions that do a little bit of good, that might help 1% of the people. We have a requirement that if we're going to provide a solution that helps the public, it better have at least a 90% relative risk reduction.
How would you feel if I walked in and I said to asbestos workers, "Let's put you in a mask, it might save 1% of you from asbestosis, but the other 99% will get it." I think I would lose all my licenses.
And by the way, asbestos fiber on average is 50 times larger than a covid particle and we have very high end respirators, PAPRs, that are used to protect asbestos workers. And I'm certified in protecting asbestos workers.
So, why in the world would you take a 1% solution when you need 90% when we have solutions like ventilation destruction and filtration that do meet that 90% requirement from industrial hygiene?
The other thing you hear about all the time is on page 12, you see the top, let's move on to N-95s. As I just said, we wouldn't even use an N95 for asbestos workers. But here's a study by Shaw et al that shows even for N95 where you glue it onto a board, and that's where most of these mask studies were done, they literally glue the mask onto a mannequin or a board.
Now do you glue your mask on your face? Of course not. So what happens, when it's not, so if it's glued on, they say well it has 43% effectiveness. What if you put a gap on it? Three percent effectiveness. And that's the real world.
So about masks, on page 13. On January 2, 2022 Scott Gottlieb, FDA Commissioner, on Face the Nation spilled the beans, he said basically masks don't work.
I've been putting real engineering controls in real schools for two years. You can imagine, as somebody who spent his whole life defending workers in toxic [?] trials and the public, how infuriating it is to see people propose solutions that cannot and do not work.
He admitted it.
We also had CDC file an admit on January 14 of 2022, well, these masks aren't very effective, so let's move to N95s. I said, no, no, no, no, let's move to engineering controls.
If you follow the CDC guidance, I said, what science changes its position 180 degrees in two years? Masks, no masks, masks, no masks. No science does that.
The other thing I want to point out is, on the bottom of page 15, and I wrote a 27 page letter to the CDC in February complaining about this, as well as to Fauci and the White House. Along with eight other industrial hygiene folks.
They say, well, we want to put children in N95s, and then they link you to the manufacturers' websites, including 3M. What does 3M say about N95s and children?
"NOT DESIGNATED TO BE USED BY CHILDREN."
And now also they say, well, as soon as you go to masks, you have got to start following respiratory protection standards which has all sorts of requirements. You can't just hand somebody an N95 and not incur a lot of liability if you don't ensure that they're fit-tested, that they're medically cleared to wear it, that they've been trained on how to wear it, and they've been trained on how to replace it.
So, on the bottom of page 16, we have industrial hygiene, as I said before, what we call the hierarchy of controls. Everybody agrees with this. The most effective hierarchy is engineering controls. The least effective would be personal protective equipment or PPE. And PPE for respiratory protection is respirators because you can seal respirators.
Now why are respirators on the bottom of the barrel for controlling hazards? Because they don't get worn right. You put somebody in, we know this from decades of doing this, you put a respirator on somebody for eight hours a day, they're going to break that seal. Guarantee it, it's not going to get worn right.
Well the interesting thing is, masks don't even fit in the hierarchy. They're below it. They're not even part of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3dnkbKoj4A&t=61s
Certified Industrial Hygienist Stephen Petty's testimony before the New Hampshire State Senate Health and Human Services posted on YT which is taken from from the over 4 hour long hearing that was lived- streamed on March 30, 2022, in which Stephen Petty appears at 2:17:34 . You can find that original source here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZb3ND7Q1B8&t=0s ]
TRANSCRIPT - PARTIAL
(00:18)
STEPHEN PETTY: My name is Stephen Petty. I'm a certified industrial hygienist, certified safety professional, professional engineer. I've been working 45 years in the field of health and safety. I spent my entire life trying to protect workers and the public from toxins, I've sampled for anthrax, biotoxins, the whole list. I've been in over 400 cases named with respect to exposure control and exposure and PPE [personal protective equipment]. And most recently I testified in the state of Kentucky, and a result of my testimony the mask mandate was overturned statewide.
So let me introduce the topic of industrial hygiene. Industrial hygiene is not well understood by many. We have a lot of physicians talking about industrial hygiene, it's not their field. Industrial hygiene is the science and art devoted to anticipation, recognition, evaluation, control of environmental factors and stressors that can cause you to be sick, make you feel bad, or even kill you. And I've testified 400 times in those sorts of cases.
The problem is that we have a lot of physicians talking about things like that, and they be perfectly talented folks, but it's not their sandbox. When I'm in trials we have a physician that talks about the disease, and I talk about exposure and exposure control and PPE.
The last physician, that talked earlier, I'm here to show you that every statement he made is false.
1:42
END OF EXCERPT
6:32
STEPHEN PETTY: The problem is, you cannot seal a mask by definition. A mask that seals is a respirator.
6:49
STEPHEN PETTY: In industrial hygiene, we don't look at solutions that do a little bit of good, that might help 1% of the people. We have a requirement that if we're going to provide a solution that helps the public, it better have at least a 90% relative risk reduction.
How would you feel if I walked in and I said to asbestos workers, "Let's put you in a mask, it might save 1% of you from asbestosis, but the other 99% will get it." I think I would lose all my licenses.
And by the way, asbestos fiber on average is 50 times larger than a covid particle and we have very high end respirators, PAPRs, that are used to protect asbestos workers. And I'm certified in protecting asbestos workers.
So, why in the world would you take a 1% solution when you need 90% when we have solutions like ventilation destruction and filtration that do meet that 90% requirement from industrial hygiene?
The other thing you hear about all the time is on page 12, you see the top, let's move on to N-95s. As I just said, we wouldn't even use an N95 for asbestos workers. But here's a study by Shaw et al that shows even for N95 where you glue it onto a board, and that's where most of these mask studies were done, they literally glue the mask onto a mannequin or a board.
Now do you glue your mask on your face? Of course not. So what happens, when it's not, so if it's glued on, they say well it has 43% effectiveness. What if you put a gap on it? Three percent effectiveness. And that's the real world.
So about masks, on page 13. On January 2, 2022 Scott Gottlieb, FDA Commissioner, on Face the Nation spilled the beans, he said basically masks don't work.
I've been putting real engineering controls in real schools for two years. You can imagine, as somebody who spent his whole life defending workers in toxic [?] trials and the public, how infuriating it is to see people propose solutions that cannot and do not work.
He admitted it.
We also had CDC file an admit on January 14 of 2022, well, these masks aren't very effective, so let's move to N95s. I said, no, no, no, no, let's move to engineering controls.
If you follow the CDC guidance, I said, what science changes its position 180 degrees in two years? Masks, no masks, masks, no masks. No science does that.
The other thing I want to point out is, on the bottom of page 15, and I wrote a 27 page letter to the CDC in February complaining about this, as well as to Fauci and the White House. Along with eight other industrial hygiene folks.
They say, well, we want to put children in N95s, and then they link you to the manufacturers' websites, including 3M. What does 3M say about N95s and children?
"NOT DESIGNATED TO BE USED BY CHILDREN."
And now also they say, well, as soon as you go to masks, you have got to start following respiratory protection standards which has all sorts of requirements. You can't just hand somebody an N95 and not incur a lot of liability if you don't ensure that they're fit-tested, that they're medically cleared to wear it, that they've been trained on how to wear it, and they've been trained on how to replace it.
So, on the bottom of page 16, we have industrial hygiene, as I said before, what we call the hierarchy of controls. Everybody agrees with this. The most effective hierarchy is engineering controls. The least effective would be personal protective equipment or PPE. And PPE for respiratory protection is respirators because you can seal respirators.
Now why are respirators on the bottom of the barrel for controlling hazards? Because they don't get worn right. You put somebody in, we know this from decades of doing this, you put a respirator on somebody for eight hours a day, they're going to break that seal. Guarantee it, it's not going to get worn right.
Well the interesting thing is, masks don't even fit in the hierarchy. They're below it. They're not even part of it.
Again, engineering controls is the solution.
11:43
END OF PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT
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