my answer to the poll is that i don't' think WW3 will happen. every nation who could participate has jabbed their troops. if you think it's hard to get recruits now imagine 3 years from now.
cj hopkins nailed what this was all about 4 years ago:
"We need to make the monster show itself, not to those of us who can already see it, but to the New Normal masses, the Covidian cultists.
We need to make Jim Jones drop the peace-and-love crap, move into the jungle, and break out the Kool-Aid.
We need to make Charles Manson put down his guitar, cancel orgy-time, and go homicidal hippie.
This is how you take down a cult from within. You do not try to thwart its progress; you push it toward its logical conclusion. You make it manifest its full expression, because that is when it implodes, and dies." looks like it's happening
I have been pondering the Covid Cult as it were and all of the moving parts in this. Perhaps inertia is an adaptive response in this environment. There is also the two factor design and things going on with EMF pulses which really need investigation.
This always and forever brings me back to the question of why. Why do they care?
why does it matter, really? Insane people have trillions of dollars and generations of cultish beliefs and identify as gods and have an antihuman antiplanet agenda. What's more to understand? We don't have to fix them or reason with them. They cannot hear us. We are the beasts to them ... ants, cattle. We need to build new systems without them. We can pull our power out of their systems and put that into our own.
Why do they care? they're either insane or not very bright and in either case the banksters have conned them into thinking that there are too many of us and that we are a mortal threat. and ultimately this is a spiritual war. we live in a universe of unlimited abundance. general awareness of that would bring down the whole house of cards, it's happening, i think.
Eliza is doing well is on summer break and I need to get back to her soon.
Eugenics seems to be the head of this devilish hydra on a spiritual level. Even there I wonder why they care. Why the need to have sex with over 1000 men in a day after your sex change operation at 13 (that’s for porn star Bonnie Blue). Why do you need to make having multiple abortions the thing to do like Margaret Sanger did? Why do you care about making your deviant choices seem normal and okay?
on one level maybe it's that these extreme deviants caught extremely bad batches of the childhood vax schedule. on a spiritual level, as it was in the days of noah...
these people think that they can act like nephilim (whether they realize it or not) and get away with it. hubris to the nth degree does not end well
Possibly unpopular opinion, but the lack of attachment is exactly why I'd be much more concerned about Buddhists with nukes than any other religion with nukes.
I can only speak for myself as a practicing Buddhist for over 40 years. Many different schools of Buddhism exist. Non-attachment is massively misunderstood in the West.
Buddhist scripts divide into two branches: the Hinayana and Mahayana traditions.
Hinayana translates to the "lesser vehicle" or "pathway" and is largely practiced throughout SE Asia. The ideas and philosophy reflect Gautama Buddha's early teachings. As he himself continued to develop and teach, in his last complete sutra (Lotus Sutra), he instructed his followers to discard all previous teachings, for he had taught them according to what they could absorb or understand…which was not full understanding or truth.
He said his ultimate teaching lay within the Lotus Sutra which is a Mahayana teaching—the "greater vehicle" or "true pathway."
Unfortunately, as with all philosophies and religions from long ago, many of the initial teachings were oral and only later committed to writing which occurred when Buddhism passed from India to China and ultimately Japan.
Non-attachment, as I’ve experimenced the concept within my own life, is not segregating nor separating oneself from life. Rather, non-attachment arises from where we place our values.
A "God" is whatever we most value in life. Many Christians, e.g., profess faith in their God but actually worship money. Some worship power…or both. Whatever forms the basis for anyone’s life is their "God." They derive their thoughts, words, and actions from that basis. Their morality arises from that basis.
Non-attachment is to realize the fundamental nature of one’s life. Once that nature is "seen," compassion arises naturally as clean water arises from a mountain spring. "Attachments" are illusions with which we live. The anger we have toward another person. Blaming another person or situation. The coldness we project toward people. All illusions. Even "goodness" contains illusions. "Love" which smothers. "Love" which extinguishes another person’s identity. Non-attachment is seeing life as life really is.
I can’t think of anyone more capable of controlling a nuclear device. Seeing life truly is to understand the substantiality and interconnectedness of all creation.
I’m not sure I want to open this big ol’ can of worms but I have questions. How do you mean “profess faith” and “the basis for anyone’s life”? What characterizes “the nature of one’s life”? What is the evidence that Buddhists “understand the substantiality and interconnectedness of all creation” better than practitioners of any other world view?
Tbh, I've explained as well as I can. I mean no disrespect. I was describing my experience and not denigrating anyone else's. I wasn't comparing Buddhism to other religions. I wanted to explain that not all Buddhists are alike and why. Western society lumps all Buddhist sects together which is incorrect. They're vastly different.
In fact, in reading Blavatsky, I'm surprised she was so snookered by what the West calls "esoteric Buddhism." While much value resides there, much crap does, too. Of course, Blavatsky reveals the dangers, also, of the currently corrupted psychic/intuitive knowledge stream...although I find her work stunning at times. Steiner stands alone in this regard. His instruction of esoteric Christianity is absolutely breathtakingly sublime in my opinion. He takes a basically pagan religion at this point in time and elevates the teaching into a far higher framework. It doesn't even sound or look like the Christianity presently on Earth...which is why so many people misunderstand him. He's awesome.
I think, too, the lineage of the teacher is extremely important...in other words, a "live" religion is passed or a religion which has the power to change someone's life. However, as Gigi Young has pointed out, the age of the guru is gone. Our future spiritual development, according to Steiner, lies solely in individual practice and seeking. I see this interpretation as correct. I can see it developing now throughout society.
I used the example of Christians only because Christianity is the most familiar religion to most Americans. Anyone in any religion or spiritual practice lives with illusion because such is the nature of life. This understanding is attained through meditation/chanting/prayer and can only be understood through experience. "Nature of life" is the very essence or constitution of our living experience. Not understood theoretically but through experience only. There are, in truth, no words to describe the experience. Underneath all the struggles, disappointments, joys, achievements, fame, glory, power, etc. lies the fundamental constitution of each individual's life. This is a karmic level. The different religions offer different approaches and wholly different language to overcome suffering and attain happiness/salvation/redemption/etc.
If anyone can use the points in my discussion, I'm glad. If they can't, I'm glad, too. We're each on our own path and precisely where we should be at this moment.
No assumption of disrespect, and I hope I didn’t convey any. I meant none and don’t mean to come off as if I’m challenging you. I have only questions and hope you don’t mind my asking. But you might note that Islamists and demons associate admittedly imperfect followers of Jesus with pagans. I assume you were just careless rather than antagonistic.
Would you say discovering “the substantiality and interconnectedness of all creation” answers the questions, “Where did I come from and what is my purpose?” Does Buddhism consider the answers unknowable, or might we agree that most of us take the answers on faith?
Christianity, Buddhism, and Anthroposophy are an interesting trio to compare/contrast. I’m most familiar with the first, so I wonder if this rings true for you. As a Christian and at my best, I find within myself the Spirit of Christ—the Creator who is not me but is present by invitation. Is it fair to say that Buddhism and Anthroposophy (maybe to a lesser degree) find the sublime within the self apart from an external god?
No, I'm unaware of Islamists and demons associating any followers of Jesus with pagans.
I'm sorry, Reasonable. My conclusion is based upon my observations. I conclude the most hateful and warmongering religions today are all Abrahamic. The least among these, in my opinion only, is Shia Islam. I've read what Iran Shiites say and feel about the world. Do you know that, according to their religion, they absolutely abhor nuclear weapons? They consider such usage a big sin.
I used the word "pagan" in comparing Steiner's "Christianity" vs present-day Christianity. Supposedly, those souls developing into New Jupiter will use his protocols of developing the Christ within. "The Christ within" has absolutely no correlation to what those words mean today. Christianity is an unfortunate religion today as is Judaism and Sunni Islam. They want people to develop a spiritual practice by forcing compliance from without. They must follow precepts, rules, and commandments.
From my perspective, perhaps a more Eastern outlook, outside boundaries can necessarily teach but not perform spiritual development. The struggle is inward, but the huge emphasis today appears to be conforming to rules rather than developing an inner life condition or state of being to assume the end condition to which the rules point.
We are all "God." There is no difference. I've felt this in mediation and chanting both.
Once again, people well steeped within Christianity speak in a foreign language to me. I have no sense of "Father." "Son." "Holy Ghost." I think we each have soul groups with past heritages and graduations or initiations. Some may well come through a philosophical framework of Christianity as practiced currently. That language has meaning for them. Some may have a different route.
I know two things about myself: I came through the Sun (that's my pathway) because I encounter this symbolism frequently in meditation; my "fathers" are indicated in that direction and acknowledge me; and I haven't incarnated for a long while. Why...I don't know. I felt very clumsy in this life as if I wasn't used to living in this plane. This life has a very specific purpose: to re-acclimate myself to this density. The purpose lies in a future life. I feel sometimes like I'm a soldier on a mission.
I knew immediately certain truths even as a child. E.g., I knew how swiftly time can move in this sphere and that innumerable civilizations had come and gone. I was never concerned with immortality in this plane. The Earth rises and falls and wipes out our presence in a second. You're forgotten. The immortality of an individual does not reside in children or power/glory. Records are lost. History revised. It's futile...like trying to capture the ebbing tide in a cup. I knew this as a child.
I think an individual's purpose is determined by their highest coalescence called "soul." I believe Gigi Young in some way. We're destined to be angels. Unfortunately, at this juncture heavily sedated within a dense material experience, we picture angels as beings with wings who offer guidance. I think angels are beings far beyond what we can know. Indeed, if our hypotheses are correct, angels are co-creators with "God"--but we're all "God."
During meditation, twice, I've glimpsed a region or direction which I'm told is unknowable at this level. We don't have the language, concepts, or thinking to even be able to put together "thoughts." In the above instance, I "knew" immediately. The "thought" and knowledge were simultaneous. I think that region leads to "God."
I think part of materiality is that we make everything discrete...which Gigi has brilliantly pointed out coincides with Ahriman's agenda. The material defines reality, the world, and the spirit by dissection--like putting them all under a microscope. Thus, I think purpose, realizing connection, our origins, etc. are all connected. To know one amplifies another.
I forgive you for being sorry. You realize Shia Islam is Abrahamic? And we haven’t lately seen anybody but Islamists cutting the throats of non-Islamists and especially Christians. Check the news in Nigeria, for instance.
Seems to me, every nation is trying hard to avoid nuclear war except for Iran with its overt threats of death to Israel and America. Abhor nuclear weapons? You could not be further from the truth. By all accounts, Iran has been in hot pursuit of nuclear weapons for decades. They say they are the religion of peace. They are liars, and I would be surprised if you didn’t recognize that.
I’m sorry, but your characterizations of Christianity are woefully inadequate. Twisted at best. Steiner was an occultist if he believed Christ needs development anywhere on any level. Every Christian half-paying attention knows Christ does not force Himself on anyone, nor did He teach anyone to force Him on anyone. “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever” even in Steiner’s day (Hebrews 13:8).
We’re at least half a galaxy apart if you came from the Sun and feel compelled to defend Islam, so let’s call it a day. Thanks for sharing your opinions.
Amy, you attract an interesting collection of people, and they light up the comments section with quite the variety of interesting points of view. I can't figure out exactly how you do it, but rock on.
If one believes The Bible is the WORD of GOD then one should base his/her beliefs in that WORD. Interpretation is sometimes a problem. Since GOD said Do Not Murder, then murdering oneself is wrong. But I know how strong the urges can be to end one's misery. Life is so difficult. So much pain. Bible: people are born sinners because that is their nature since the Fall. Sinners sin. GOD gives people a chance to have their sins and sin nature forgiven but only if they avail themselves of the sacrifice of the GOD/man, Jesus the Messiah who came to this world, this cosmos, for that purpose. In eternity past the godhead agreed in that. Catholicism's manmade ideas and rules are not from GOD. Jewish rabbis' ideas and rules aren't either. Calvinist/Reformed believers misinterpret also. And so on.
Sometimes I think about baby Jesus in the manger. In Spain there is a tradition of having nativity scenes with figures of animals and shepherds and the three scientists from Iran and the Mother and the Father. They are made from plastic, or clay, or wood, or even paper and cardboard.
The thing is that it's amazing that it seems like that animals often know that a human baby is a human baby a not other thing. Not food, not their baby, not a kitten. They know a human is a human. But human beings often forget that humans are humans, and their babies are innocent. The stable animals know that humans are not like them. But humans manage to be more ignorant than stable animals. We renounce to reason and any other form of knowledge for the sake of ideology.
It's an amazing story, the birth of Jesus, later called with the title of Christ. I think it is humanizing.
I don't know why so many people hate that story these days. Maybe they don't think human babies are innocent?
That idea of human innocence was something I talked about in great lengths with my mom growing up. My little sister died of a heart condition when she was 13 months old, something which was devastating for my parents. But how could she not go to Heaven?
Mom waffled for awhile about this concept of limbo but I pressed her further about what that actually meant. She tried to tell me that before End Times then my sister would just be stuck in this perpetual not existence.
So she can't be in Heaven and she can't be born again? I'm like seven years old when I'm asking this stuff. Mom explained that she was already in Heaven sort of but she can't come back because in true Catholic style that doesn't exist. The whole thing left me with more questions than answers.
Animals at least seem to know what they are and don't question it. Indeed!
There are all sorts of beliefs among Catholics. I know one very observant Catholic, daily mass and confession. He said once "children are always in the presence of God." I don't know where that idea comes from. But in the Catholic church there are the official doctrines, and there are also particular beliefs. I read once that Martin Luther, who was an extremely scrupulous Catholic priest/monk according to biographers, thought that the official teachings of the church about the fate of suicides were wrong. I think he reached that conclusion long before the schism.
"I don’t share the opinion that suicides are certainly to be damned. My reason is that they do not wish to kill themselves but are overcome by the power of the devil.
They are like a man who is murdered in the woods by a robber.
However, this ought not be taught to the common people, lest Satan be given an opportunity to cause slaughter, and I recommend that the popular custom be strictly adhered to according to which it [the suicide’s corpse] is not carried over the threshold, etc.
Such persons do not die by free choice or by law, but our Lord God will dispatch them as he executes a person through a robber. Magistrates should treat them quite strictly, although it is not plain that their souls are damned.
However, they are examples by which our Lord God wishes to show that the devil is powerful and also that we should be diligent in prayer. But for these examples, we would not fear God. Hence he must teach us in this way."
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I'm sure that many Catholics of all types have different ideas about the details of the afterlife. In these years, the leaders of the Catholics are approaching many opinions that are common, but not the norm, among some protestant groups. Which is a big change even in small things, considering history.
There is a concept which is more prominent in Asian cultures of an honorable suicide. I do not like the concept per say but believing that all of those who take their own lives regardless of the circumstances are damned souls has always felt wrong to me. There's also edge cases perhaps personified best by Clint Eastwood in Gran Turino if you've ever sen the movie. People who suicide themselves through the actions of others.
Now this limited concept has been taken too far into the realm of straight up eugenics by the parasites. The ones who stole all of the money now would prefer you die rather than pay for your care...
It starts with the old guy in grief because of the loss his wife, I think it was. Maybe it was the son, I don't remember well. Then a young priest tries an approach, that only causes offense. The old man befriemds a Asian kid, which is rare because he hates Asians. The there is the conflict with the gang. He sacrifices his life, which was useless to him, for the sake of ridding the neighborhood and the kid of the danger from the gang. So, it's an utilitarian move, fully conscious and voluntary. Nothing to do with the fascist social engineering of our reality.
In my view, there is no honor in coercion. The opposite. And, to make things worse, there is no utility in coercion either. No such thing as the greatest good for the greatest number of people. That came from a total delusion by a very conceited philosopher.
You summarized the movie fairly well. The man's wife had died and his grown son was trying to push him into an old folks home. Meanwhile he had a medical condition where he was coughing up blood that was likely going to be fatal.So he taunted the gang into opening fire on him which sent them to jail. The Asian kid got his car. Yes, it was a fully conscious sacrifice.
Pushing people into utter destitution and hopelessness is quite a different thing...
Eastwood is a great romantic artist. He knew how to push the buttons of the audience. The simplicity of the harm-revenge-repentance-absolution cycle. All too human.
I like Gigi Young's interpretation which is heavily influenced by Rudolf Steiner, perhaps one of the greatest mystics to have lived and taught.
Earth constitutes a school. Earth resides at the densest point of the cycle through planets within our Solar System. Earth is the most material coalescence of the human spirit.
The reason for the coalescence is to impregnate the soul or higher spirit with values and attributes gained through materiality as a force, energy, or frequency. Etheric spirituality can imprint but not with the definition of material spirituality.
If a soul becomes self-centered and inflames (Lucifer = to inflame) their ego as the basis for experience, they'll see and comprehend only the material world as real and viable. In a sense, this realization is correct. They can't "see" spirituality.
These devolved souls can only exist within the material plane. They must confront themselves or observe the true reality of life to move on. Looking at oneself is hard and humbling. The correction of inner mistakes and attitudes is ego deflating.
Thus, they look for all manners of ways to continue this Earth within a material plane. Hence, they want to augment their bodies and minds with AI. Ego is fear. They are fundamentally a fearful species. Thus, they want to diminish others and control. In this instance, too, they want to control the Earth's resources and habitat.
The only problem, if we believe Steiner, is that the Earth, herself, is a living, breathing Soul. She is an Oversoul. She has a natural lifetime and span of time for existence. She's here to support the life beings called humans who have come to learn their lessons and develop through materiality. When she perishes, those who want control must exist in another realm, for the Earth, as we know her, will no longer be viable.
REAL prayer never hurts - and is more powerful than most realize! Keep it up and live life with LOVE, even when they are wanting you to hate. Ask in prayer also to see beyond the lies of most religious / governmental organizations that co-opted The Most High's words and teachings.
According to various definitions of what is a world war: "a war in which large forces from many countries fight" , "an international conflict that in 1914–18 embroiled most of the nations of Europe along with Russia, the United States, the Middle East, and other regions.", "a war that involves most of the principal nations of the world."
Aye, that's a sticky wicket! I shall check it out especially the one titled "The End Times in 30 Minutes." I'd like to understand the end before it gets here (not sarcasm--just my sense of humor). The lack of conviction in my mind regarding prophecy plus the absence of consensus among Bible scholars keeps me locked on to three simple things I first accepted on faith and find consistently validated: Jesus is God, He loves me, and the Bible tells me everything I need to know about Him. So far, so good, and getting better all the time.
The World Order sets up countless groups to promote any type of idea, and then sets up other groups to fanatically oppose them, but the masters have no dedication to anything except slavery."
We are in WWIII, in terms of 'excess' deaths. It ramped up some 5 years ago, was obvious 50 years ago, and could be seen coming 100 years ago. Electricity and fungus among us, nearly inescapable.
Aimed at us, dropped on us, injected into us. War is too dignified a term, methinks.
I really love this post. It is incredibly thoughtful. I too pray for peace. There is no need for any of it. For us anyway. I think we're in a WW1 type era where global alignments are occurring. This is just how it's shaking out.
True Christianity is not a religion - it is a relationship with Jesus. You gotta invite him to save you in order to go to Heaven.
There is something a little to selfish about only wanting Jesus in order to go to heaven yourself. Perhaps you don't mean this. But Jesus came to set captives free. FREE. That means we are in a cosmic war - and should be in warrior mode to bring men and women who are enslaved in this world system, into the freedom that Yeshua/Jesus sacrificed Himself to bring us -- all of us. He came first time as the last sacrifice for sin. He loved us while we were still sinners. There is no "good enough" with Him. We cannot bring Him our "goodness" and expect anything. That's not how it works. When He comes again, it will be to judge those who rejected so great a sacrifice.
And that's what His people - from every nation, every tribe, every language - will be saved from - the Wrath. Not because they are good, but because they recognize they are sinners, they confess, repent, are forgiven and reconciled to Him. It is a most fantastic love story.
my answer to the poll is that i don't' think WW3 will happen. every nation who could participate has jabbed their troops. if you think it's hard to get recruits now imagine 3 years from now.
cj hopkins nailed what this was all about 4 years ago:
"We need to make the monster show itself, not to those of us who can already see it, but to the New Normal masses, the Covidian cultists.
We need to make Jim Jones drop the peace-and-love crap, move into the jungle, and break out the Kool-Aid.
We need to make Charles Manson put down his guitar, cancel orgy-time, and go homicidal hippie.
This is how you take down a cult from within. You do not try to thwart its progress; you push it toward its logical conclusion. You make it manifest its full expression, because that is when it implodes, and dies." looks like it's happening
https://consentfactory.org/2021/09/02/the-covidian-cult-part-iii/
I have been pondering the Covid Cult as it were and all of the moving parts in this. Perhaps inertia is an adaptive response in this environment. There is also the two factor design and things going on with EMF pulses which really need investigation.
This always and forever brings me back to the question of why. Why do they care?
why does it matter, really? Insane people have trillions of dollars and generations of cultish beliefs and identify as gods and have an antihuman antiplanet agenda. What's more to understand? We don't have to fix them or reason with them. They cannot hear us. We are the beasts to them ... ants, cattle. We need to build new systems without them. We can pull our power out of their systems and put that into our own.
Why do they care? they're either insane or not very bright and in either case the banksters have conned them into thinking that there are too many of us and that we are a mortal threat. and ultimately this is a spiritual war. we live in a universe of unlimited abundance. general awareness of that would bring down the whole house of cards, it's happening, i think.
btw how is Eliza doing?
Eliza is doing well is on summer break and I need to get back to her soon.
Eugenics seems to be the head of this devilish hydra on a spiritual level. Even there I wonder why they care. Why the need to have sex with over 1000 men in a day after your sex change operation at 13 (that’s for porn star Bonnie Blue). Why do you need to make having multiple abortions the thing to do like Margaret Sanger did? Why do you care about making your deviant choices seem normal and okay?
on one level maybe it's that these extreme deviants caught extremely bad batches of the childhood vax schedule. on a spiritual level, as it was in the days of noah...
these people think that they can act like nephilim (whether they realize it or not) and get away with it. hubris to the nth degree does not end well
Malice.
Possibly unpopular opinion, but the lack of attachment is exactly why I'd be much more concerned about Buddhists with nukes than any other religion with nukes.
I can only speak for myself as a practicing Buddhist for over 40 years. Many different schools of Buddhism exist. Non-attachment is massively misunderstood in the West.
Buddhist scripts divide into two branches: the Hinayana and Mahayana traditions.
Hinayana translates to the "lesser vehicle" or "pathway" and is largely practiced throughout SE Asia. The ideas and philosophy reflect Gautama Buddha's early teachings. As he himself continued to develop and teach, in his last complete sutra (Lotus Sutra), he instructed his followers to discard all previous teachings, for he had taught them according to what they could absorb or understand…which was not full understanding or truth.
He said his ultimate teaching lay within the Lotus Sutra which is a Mahayana teaching—the "greater vehicle" or "true pathway."
Unfortunately, as with all philosophies and religions from long ago, many of the initial teachings were oral and only later committed to writing which occurred when Buddhism passed from India to China and ultimately Japan.
Non-attachment, as I’ve experimenced the concept within my own life, is not segregating nor separating oneself from life. Rather, non-attachment arises from where we place our values.
A "God" is whatever we most value in life. Many Christians, e.g., profess faith in their God but actually worship money. Some worship power…or both. Whatever forms the basis for anyone’s life is their "God." They derive their thoughts, words, and actions from that basis. Their morality arises from that basis.
Non-attachment is to realize the fundamental nature of one’s life. Once that nature is "seen," compassion arises naturally as clean water arises from a mountain spring. "Attachments" are illusions with which we live. The anger we have toward another person. Blaming another person or situation. The coldness we project toward people. All illusions. Even "goodness" contains illusions. "Love" which smothers. "Love" which extinguishes another person’s identity. Non-attachment is seeing life as life really is.
I can’t think of anyone more capable of controlling a nuclear device. Seeing life truly is to understand the substantiality and interconnectedness of all creation.
Cheers!
I’m not sure I want to open this big ol’ can of worms but I have questions. How do you mean “profess faith” and “the basis for anyone’s life”? What characterizes “the nature of one’s life”? What is the evidence that Buddhists “understand the substantiality and interconnectedness of all creation” better than practitioners of any other world view?
Tbh, I've explained as well as I can. I mean no disrespect. I was describing my experience and not denigrating anyone else's. I wasn't comparing Buddhism to other religions. I wanted to explain that not all Buddhists are alike and why. Western society lumps all Buddhist sects together which is incorrect. They're vastly different.
In fact, in reading Blavatsky, I'm surprised she was so snookered by what the West calls "esoteric Buddhism." While much value resides there, much crap does, too. Of course, Blavatsky reveals the dangers, also, of the currently corrupted psychic/intuitive knowledge stream...although I find her work stunning at times. Steiner stands alone in this regard. His instruction of esoteric Christianity is absolutely breathtakingly sublime in my opinion. He takes a basically pagan religion at this point in time and elevates the teaching into a far higher framework. It doesn't even sound or look like the Christianity presently on Earth...which is why so many people misunderstand him. He's awesome.
I think, too, the lineage of the teacher is extremely important...in other words, a "live" religion is passed or a religion which has the power to change someone's life. However, as Gigi Young has pointed out, the age of the guru is gone. Our future spiritual development, according to Steiner, lies solely in individual practice and seeking. I see this interpretation as correct. I can see it developing now throughout society.
I used the example of Christians only because Christianity is the most familiar religion to most Americans. Anyone in any religion or spiritual practice lives with illusion because such is the nature of life. This understanding is attained through meditation/chanting/prayer and can only be understood through experience. "Nature of life" is the very essence or constitution of our living experience. Not understood theoretically but through experience only. There are, in truth, no words to describe the experience. Underneath all the struggles, disappointments, joys, achievements, fame, glory, power, etc. lies the fundamental constitution of each individual's life. This is a karmic level. The different religions offer different approaches and wholly different language to overcome suffering and attain happiness/salvation/redemption/etc.
If anyone can use the points in my discussion, I'm glad. If they can't, I'm glad, too. We're each on our own path and precisely where we should be at this moment.
No assumption of disrespect, and I hope I didn’t convey any. I meant none and don’t mean to come off as if I’m challenging you. I have only questions and hope you don’t mind my asking. But you might note that Islamists and demons associate admittedly imperfect followers of Jesus with pagans. I assume you were just careless rather than antagonistic.
Would you say discovering “the substantiality and interconnectedness of all creation” answers the questions, “Where did I come from and what is my purpose?” Does Buddhism consider the answers unknowable, or might we agree that most of us take the answers on faith?
Christianity, Buddhism, and Anthroposophy are an interesting trio to compare/contrast. I’m most familiar with the first, so I wonder if this rings true for you. As a Christian and at my best, I find within myself the Spirit of Christ—the Creator who is not me but is present by invitation. Is it fair to say that Buddhism and Anthroposophy (maybe to a lesser degree) find the sublime within the self apart from an external god?
No, I'm unaware of Islamists and demons associating any followers of Jesus with pagans.
I'm sorry, Reasonable. My conclusion is based upon my observations. I conclude the most hateful and warmongering religions today are all Abrahamic. The least among these, in my opinion only, is Shia Islam. I've read what Iran Shiites say and feel about the world. Do you know that, according to their religion, they absolutely abhor nuclear weapons? They consider such usage a big sin.
I used the word "pagan" in comparing Steiner's "Christianity" vs present-day Christianity. Supposedly, those souls developing into New Jupiter will use his protocols of developing the Christ within. "The Christ within" has absolutely no correlation to what those words mean today. Christianity is an unfortunate religion today as is Judaism and Sunni Islam. They want people to develop a spiritual practice by forcing compliance from without. They must follow precepts, rules, and commandments.
From my perspective, perhaps a more Eastern outlook, outside boundaries can necessarily teach but not perform spiritual development. The struggle is inward, but the huge emphasis today appears to be conforming to rules rather than developing an inner life condition or state of being to assume the end condition to which the rules point.
We are all "God." There is no difference. I've felt this in mediation and chanting both.
Once again, people well steeped within Christianity speak in a foreign language to me. I have no sense of "Father." "Son." "Holy Ghost." I think we each have soul groups with past heritages and graduations or initiations. Some may well come through a philosophical framework of Christianity as practiced currently. That language has meaning for them. Some may have a different route.
I know two things about myself: I came through the Sun (that's my pathway) because I encounter this symbolism frequently in meditation; my "fathers" are indicated in that direction and acknowledge me; and I haven't incarnated for a long while. Why...I don't know. I felt very clumsy in this life as if I wasn't used to living in this plane. This life has a very specific purpose: to re-acclimate myself to this density. The purpose lies in a future life. I feel sometimes like I'm a soldier on a mission.
I knew immediately certain truths even as a child. E.g., I knew how swiftly time can move in this sphere and that innumerable civilizations had come and gone. I was never concerned with immortality in this plane. The Earth rises and falls and wipes out our presence in a second. You're forgotten. The immortality of an individual does not reside in children or power/glory. Records are lost. History revised. It's futile...like trying to capture the ebbing tide in a cup. I knew this as a child.
I think an individual's purpose is determined by their highest coalescence called "soul." I believe Gigi Young in some way. We're destined to be angels. Unfortunately, at this juncture heavily sedated within a dense material experience, we picture angels as beings with wings who offer guidance. I think angels are beings far beyond what we can know. Indeed, if our hypotheses are correct, angels are co-creators with "God"--but we're all "God."
During meditation, twice, I've glimpsed a region or direction which I'm told is unknowable at this level. We don't have the language, concepts, or thinking to even be able to put together "thoughts." In the above instance, I "knew" immediately. The "thought" and knowledge were simultaneous. I think that region leads to "God."
I think part of materiality is that we make everything discrete...which Gigi has brilliantly pointed out coincides with Ahriman's agenda. The material defines reality, the world, and the spirit by dissection--like putting them all under a microscope. Thus, I think purpose, realizing connection, our origins, etc. are all connected. To know one amplifies another.
I forgive you for being sorry. You realize Shia Islam is Abrahamic? And we haven’t lately seen anybody but Islamists cutting the throats of non-Islamists and especially Christians. Check the news in Nigeria, for instance.
Seems to me, every nation is trying hard to avoid nuclear war except for Iran with its overt threats of death to Israel and America. Abhor nuclear weapons? You could not be further from the truth. By all accounts, Iran has been in hot pursuit of nuclear weapons for decades. They say they are the religion of peace. They are liars, and I would be surprised if you didn’t recognize that.
I’m sorry, but your characterizations of Christianity are woefully inadequate. Twisted at best. Steiner was an occultist if he believed Christ needs development anywhere on any level. Every Christian half-paying attention knows Christ does not force Himself on anyone, nor did He teach anyone to force Him on anyone. “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever” even in Steiner’s day (Hebrews 13:8).
We’re at least half a galaxy apart if you came from the Sun and feel compelled to defend Islam, so let’s call it a day. Thanks for sharing your opinions.
Amy, you attract an interesting collection of people, and they light up the comments section with quite the variety of interesting points of view. I can't figure out exactly how you do it, but rock on.
If one believes The Bible is the WORD of GOD then one should base his/her beliefs in that WORD. Interpretation is sometimes a problem. Since GOD said Do Not Murder, then murdering oneself is wrong. But I know how strong the urges can be to end one's misery. Life is so difficult. So much pain. Bible: people are born sinners because that is their nature since the Fall. Sinners sin. GOD gives people a chance to have their sins and sin nature forgiven but only if they avail themselves of the sacrifice of the GOD/man, Jesus the Messiah who came to this world, this cosmos, for that purpose. In eternity past the godhead agreed in that. Catholicism's manmade ideas and rules are not from GOD. Jewish rabbis' ideas and rules aren't either. Calvinist/Reformed believers misinterpret also. And so on.
I liked when you asked my favorite question: But why?
It’s the question with all of the current madness
Agree.
Sometimes I think about baby Jesus in the manger. In Spain there is a tradition of having nativity scenes with figures of animals and shepherds and the three scientists from Iran and the Mother and the Father. They are made from plastic, or clay, or wood, or even paper and cardboard.
The thing is that it's amazing that it seems like that animals often know that a human baby is a human baby a not other thing. Not food, not their baby, not a kitten. They know a human is a human. But human beings often forget that humans are humans, and their babies are innocent. The stable animals know that humans are not like them. But humans manage to be more ignorant than stable animals. We renounce to reason and any other form of knowledge for the sake of ideology.
It's an amazing story, the birth of Jesus, later called with the title of Christ. I think it is humanizing.
I don't know why so many people hate that story these days. Maybe they don't think human babies are innocent?
That idea of human innocence was something I talked about in great lengths with my mom growing up. My little sister died of a heart condition when she was 13 months old, something which was devastating for my parents. But how could she not go to Heaven?
Mom waffled for awhile about this concept of limbo but I pressed her further about what that actually meant. She tried to tell me that before End Times then my sister would just be stuck in this perpetual not existence.
So she can't be in Heaven and she can't be born again? I'm like seven years old when I'm asking this stuff. Mom explained that she was already in Heaven sort of but she can't come back because in true Catholic style that doesn't exist. The whole thing left me with more questions than answers.
Animals at least seem to know what they are and don't question it. Indeed!
wow.
There are all sorts of beliefs among Catholics. I know one very observant Catholic, daily mass and confession. He said once "children are always in the presence of God." I don't know where that idea comes from. But in the Catholic church there are the official doctrines, and there are also particular beliefs. I read once that Martin Luther, who was an extremely scrupulous Catholic priest/monk according to biographers, thought that the official teachings of the church about the fate of suicides were wrong. I think he reached that conclusion long before the schism.
Here's a quote from this website: https://mereinkling.net/2017/02/14/c-s-lewis-and-martin-luther-on-suicide/
"I don’t share the opinion that suicides are certainly to be damned. My reason is that they do not wish to kill themselves but are overcome by the power of the devil.
They are like a man who is murdered in the woods by a robber.
However, this ought not be taught to the common people, lest Satan be given an opportunity to cause slaughter, and I recommend that the popular custom be strictly adhered to according to which it [the suicide’s corpse] is not carried over the threshold, etc.
Such persons do not die by free choice or by law, but our Lord God will dispatch them as he executes a person through a robber. Magistrates should treat them quite strictly, although it is not plain that their souls are damned.
However, they are examples by which our Lord God wishes to show that the devil is powerful and also that we should be diligent in prayer. But for these examples, we would not fear God. Hence he must teach us in this way."
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I'm sure that many Catholics of all types have different ideas about the details of the afterlife. In these years, the leaders of the Catholics are approaching many opinions that are common, but not the norm, among some protestant groups. Which is a big change even in small things, considering history.
There is a concept which is more prominent in Asian cultures of an honorable suicide. I do not like the concept per say but believing that all of those who take their own lives regardless of the circumstances are damned souls has always felt wrong to me. There's also edge cases perhaps personified best by Clint Eastwood in Gran Turino if you've ever sen the movie. People who suicide themselves through the actions of others.
Now this limited concept has been taken too far into the realm of straight up eugenics by the parasites. The ones who stole all of the money now would prefer you die rather than pay for your care...
Yeah, I watched that movie.
It starts with the old guy in grief because of the loss his wife, I think it was. Maybe it was the son, I don't remember well. Then a young priest tries an approach, that only causes offense. The old man befriemds a Asian kid, which is rare because he hates Asians. The there is the conflict with the gang. He sacrifices his life, which was useless to him, for the sake of ridding the neighborhood and the kid of the danger from the gang. So, it's an utilitarian move, fully conscious and voluntary. Nothing to do with the fascist social engineering of our reality.
In my view, there is no honor in coercion. The opposite. And, to make things worse, there is no utility in coercion either. No such thing as the greatest good for the greatest number of people. That came from a total delusion by a very conceited philosopher.
You summarized the movie fairly well. The man's wife had died and his grown son was trying to push him into an old folks home. Meanwhile he had a medical condition where he was coughing up blood that was likely going to be fatal.So he taunted the gang into opening fire on him which sent them to jail. The Asian kid got his car. Yes, it was a fully conscious sacrifice.
Pushing people into utter destitution and hopelessness is quite a different thing...
Eastwood is a great romantic artist. He knew how to push the buttons of the audience. The simplicity of the harm-revenge-repentance-absolution cycle. All too human.
Why do "they" care?
I like Gigi Young's interpretation which is heavily influenced by Rudolf Steiner, perhaps one of the greatest mystics to have lived and taught.
Earth constitutes a school. Earth resides at the densest point of the cycle through planets within our Solar System. Earth is the most material coalescence of the human spirit.
The reason for the coalescence is to impregnate the soul or higher spirit with values and attributes gained through materiality as a force, energy, or frequency. Etheric spirituality can imprint but not with the definition of material spirituality.
If a soul becomes self-centered and inflames (Lucifer = to inflame) their ego as the basis for experience, they'll see and comprehend only the material world as real and viable. In a sense, this realization is correct. They can't "see" spirituality.
These devolved souls can only exist within the material plane. They must confront themselves or observe the true reality of life to move on. Looking at oneself is hard and humbling. The correction of inner mistakes and attitudes is ego deflating.
Thus, they look for all manners of ways to continue this Earth within a material plane. Hence, they want to augment their bodies and minds with AI. Ego is fear. They are fundamentally a fearful species. Thus, they want to diminish others and control. In this instance, too, they want to control the Earth's resources and habitat.
The only problem, if we believe Steiner, is that the Earth, herself, is a living, breathing Soul. She is an Oversoul. She has a natural lifetime and span of time for existence. She's here to support the life beings called humans who have come to learn their lessons and develop through materiality. When she perishes, those who want control must exist in another realm, for the Earth, as we know her, will no longer be viable.
REAL prayer never hurts - and is more powerful than most realize! Keep it up and live life with LOVE, even when they are wanting you to hate. Ask in prayer also to see beyond the lies of most religious / governmental organizations that co-opted The Most High's words and teachings.
According to various definitions of what is a world war: "a war in which large forces from many countries fight" , "an international conflict that in 1914–18 embroiled most of the nations of Europe along with Russia, the United States, the Middle East, and other regions.", "a war that involves most of the principal nations of the world."
Looks like we are here. Godspeed to everyone.
Perhaps you need a better study of endtimes phropecy.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFmzWiX5iQ2qAYMQ29y7tThHSHL8i_MDn&si=ivaCQ0E7niJVulf0
Aye, that's a sticky wicket! I shall check it out especially the one titled "The End Times in 30 Minutes." I'd like to understand the end before it gets here (not sarcasm--just my sense of humor). The lack of conviction in my mind regarding prophecy plus the absence of consensus among Bible scholars keeps me locked on to three simple things I first accepted on faith and find consistently validated: Jesus is God, He loves me, and the Bible tells me everything I need to know about Him. So far, so good, and getting better all the time.
It is too late for humanity.
As someone with children I sincerely hope you are wrong
Perhaps for most but my humanity is flourishing.
I love it = : ) Flourish on, Michael!
Love your humor
The World Order sets up countless groups to promote any type of idea, and then sets up other groups to fanatically oppose them, but the masters have no dedication to anything except slavery."
The World Order
Eustace Mullins
1992
We are in WWIII, in terms of 'excess' deaths. It ramped up some 5 years ago, was obvious 50 years ago, and could be seen coming 100 years ago. Electricity and fungus among us, nearly inescapable.
Aimed at us, dropped on us, injected into us. War is too dignified a term, methinks.
I really love this post. It is incredibly thoughtful. I too pray for peace. There is no need for any of it. For us anyway. I think we're in a WW1 type era where global alignments are occurring. This is just how it's shaking out.
True Christianity is not a religion - it is a relationship with Jesus. You gotta invite him to save you in order to go to Heaven.
There is something a little to selfish about only wanting Jesus in order to go to heaven yourself. Perhaps you don't mean this. But Jesus came to set captives free. FREE. That means we are in a cosmic war - and should be in warrior mode to bring men and women who are enslaved in this world system, into the freedom that Yeshua/Jesus sacrificed Himself to bring us -- all of us. He came first time as the last sacrifice for sin. He loved us while we were still sinners. There is no "good enough" with Him. We cannot bring Him our "goodness" and expect anything. That's not how it works. When He comes again, it will be to judge those who rejected so great a sacrifice.
And that's what His people - from every nation, every tribe, every language - will be saved from - the Wrath. Not because they are good, but because they recognize they are sinners, they confess, repent, are forgiven and reconciled to Him. It is a most fantastic love story.
Amy brings on the funnies and the humor in them makes for a forgetful week in LA LA Land.