the smoking gun here is that all the ad hominem seems to be coming from one side. drive-by attacks and a lot of sniping. yeah maybe some of this crew are scarred from old battles but you leave that baggage outside.. steve was willing to engage and actually got to a point of negotiation over a debate before the other side apparently bailed over some technicality. i don't spend much time at steve's comments section because there isn't much action - and i strongly suspect that there is an op at play as well.
all the og warrior moms who have been in this since before del bigtree existed are the real role models here.. looking at how the first round of the lethal injection campaign completely tanked when it came down to preschoolers and infants, i think there's hope. trouble is that big harma is pivoting to mrna for the entire childhood vax schedule and that's going to be much harder to resist. we have a slog ahead of us.
The big picture great reset is the stuff that comes into view for me. If you cannot control what is injected into your body and other people can dictate how you earn units of exchange for basic survival it is game over. So I tend to leapfrog that whole debate and any that divides the same side. Do you want a future for humanity that does not involve slavery for the masses or do you not?
agreed. covid totalitarianism is so insidious that some of us get caught up in it. it was time to move on a year ago. hell, two years ago. and tptb are wise to that, so they're pivoting too. all the infrastructure is in place - the vaxxport, "smart" meters, ad nauseum and the distractions are flying fast and furious. but i also think this is as much a time of a great unraveling as it is a great awakening - tptb are far from united and the cracks are showing. we just need to take advantage of them. that's how the light gets in - leonard cohen...
The only one of these there is no virus people that I have ever read or followed was Jon Rapopport, and I don't recall a single thing regarding not seeking medical care or anything of the sort. It seemed to be more of a thought experiment on other things that could cause the symptoms of covid including air pollution, panic, hospital treatments making things worse, et cetera. Part of the medical freedom movement should be about, well, medical freedom. So if some of the there is no virus people are actively trying to block or discourage a treatment that a patient actually wants, then I'd have to suppose that they are ops working against the movement.
But...honestly the not a virus vs. virus gives us all something to rant and rave about, but the Trump thing is far, far more problematic.
It's not like the NAV/V are going to unite and all vote for some Savior, and if they did...it would still have to come from the Rep. Party, who are the only ones remotely "resisting" and in a pretty chickenshit fashion, to be clear. Overall.
And so even if this circle jerk of disparate souls were corralled they will then run into the unfortunate fact that this lone guy will split that vote again.
The NAV people can be very polarizing. I've seen time and time again where somebody who got very sick with Covid, say, who seemed to be having a productive discussion on some aspect of the broader con/unsafe and ineffective vaccines, health freedom et cetera basically feels shut down and threatened by a person who interjects with some variation of it's just the flu, bro, or it was all in your head. Which often starts a how dare you argument because it is wholesale rejecting the other person's lived experience. I'm struck by how similar this is to the vaccine injured's experiences being gaslit and unacknowledged by the medical profession...Regarding what percentage of the population is really NAV, I prefer my 7 point scale to a yes/no dichotomy. There aren't going to be to many pure 7 the virus is a social construct all in your head types, but I see a lot of people who believe that aspects of psychology are going to influence it.
We have no real metric to determine the scope of the NAV contingent.
My sense is that it is relatively tiny when compared to the ENTIRE populace.
It's hard to tell, b/c much like Twitter deciding what is "trending" for each "mark", errrr...reader...it is clear that we can get a greatly distorted view based on Astro Turf.
I had never heard of the no-viruses theory until about a month ago. I have no set opinion on the matter. But reading the comments in Celia's post, I recognized something. I mentioned it on Sage Hana's post,
"from my youth growing up in evangelical churches, one of which was just this side of a cult. It smelled like zealotry willing to spite the whole world for one's truth."
I suppose. But what then does make friends or allies? My unfriend (I might write a collage of compliance about her; true dyed in the wool virtue signaler) seemed to be trying to build this alliance of 'the people who escaped Toledo High' but ironically she was actively tearing it down at the same time. why? What are the motivations?
The analogue to your example would be if LA friend had another friend from her restaurant who showed up and slapped your face and accused you of stealing her purse and then asking why can't you get along with her?
There's some truth there. I was raised by wolves and therefore do not reflexively say okay to BFFs that say "I was betrayed by this other person you need to support me and not like them." I ask more skeptical questions like "Did this person really betray you?" Which makes me a jerk. ;-) I'm so why can't we all just get along that I end up with nobody getting along with me. :-P
And as such, you have tolerance for other independent thinkers. And thus I know that you will tolerate another point that Insufferable Sage will make! 😅
I don't necessarily want astrology people coaching us up on Covid any more than I want plumbers gauging whether Fisher Price wings on an airplane will hold.
There's no need to read my as of yet unformed opinion on 'Covid by the Signs.' Though I see no harm in exploring in any healing modality with an open mind, but if you lack belief then it wouldn't work regardless on you. I find that a bit different from driving across a bridge engineered by a singer or flying in an airplane built by a clown. We've already seen the results of letting clowns rule the world...it ain't pretty
Oh...I'll read it. I read all of your stuff. You're my favorite Stacker in a landslide!
And yes, the "experts" tanked badly on this. 100% agree.
Point is that a level of credibility is conferred to people who bestow upon themselves a Dunning Kruger level of expertise.
This was the root of Steve's criticism in the post where he and Not a Virus Scarf
Wearing Astrology Guy agreed that an interloper was present.
And this is how we get to Cleo from Psychic Friends Network or the Rolfer that lives two doors down sussing out that the problem is Snake Venom poisoning the world's water supply.
I don't see why the "there is no virus" and "there is a virus" groups can't cooperate on things. We should all maximize our ability to work with people on important issues regardless of differences. There are people I interact with locally that have all kinds of bizzare beliefs I disagree with, I just try to kindly back up my position when it's not relevant.
When the lockdowns began I told myself then that I was willing to work with anyone (I had a stereotype of my worst enemy at the time) regardless of their past as long as they were willing to work to stop *this*. Which is my primary motivation for writing Tools of the Technocracy.
I agree that there are a ton of uncross-able "red lines" that almost all of us agree on (mandates, treatments, censorship, ect) regardless of personal preferences on other topics. I think there can be more "teams" in the movement though. Not everyone has to be behind the same banner and ideally similar-minded groups would still be interested in cooperating on important initiatives.
I agree wholeheartedly. A lot of this infighting is not relevant to the bigger goals. some on the no virus side sincerely believe that the entire germ paradigm needs to be dismantled so that we never have to undergo this type of assault on freedom again. I don't go that far and am more about the larger assault on freedom. I'm tolerant of virtually anyone's opinion as long as it doesn't enroach on my choices...
I have followed the cases of many parents whose children were intractably vaccine injured meaning they never seemed to get better. Others showed relief with vitamin and mineral supplementation, gluten free diets, chelation et cetera. That is why I thought Steve Kirsch should put up a challenge to find the best healing protocols for the vaccine injured: these intractable cases have existed since before Covid jabs. I've followed some and even donated to a few charity campaigns regarding personal cases in the past. For some people you can not unjab: I was lucky with my daughter that she slowly normalized and became the wonderful teenager that she is today. My first husband never really got relief after his jabs for immigration. This is a very real risk that exists in the entire theory of vaccination: if you put something in the body that should cause an immune response in the future to that thing, if something goes wrong the immune response can become an attack on itself that goes on in perpetuity. My greatest interest in this area lately is mitochondrial dysfunction and wireless 5g/magnetic radiation. But sometimes all you can do is pray, which is a manifestation of physical intent. Perhaps it doesn't matter, but it does to me. I'm not a fan of insisting that night is day or day is night to get along with anyone. Does that fail to acknowledge someone else's feelings that night is day? I think that stops at my feelings. Otherwise it just becomes an exercise of raw power and brute force to compel correct answers even when they are wrong
I have never cared for Trump. At best I have a slight preference for him over Biden, but I don't think that's saying much. I'm glad I haven't dealt with any real real dumb Trumpists at the rate they're going I'm likely to win the Biden fans over first. It's all designed to do the same thing: they lie to you, bluntly and repeatedly, you play hero ball after they robbed you blind and took your life. It's unconscionable to support Trump with his still love of the vaccines. They lied and we need to stop fighting each other...
the smoking gun here is that all the ad hominem seems to be coming from one side. drive-by attacks and a lot of sniping. yeah maybe some of this crew are scarred from old battles but you leave that baggage outside.. steve was willing to engage and actually got to a point of negotiation over a debate before the other side apparently bailed over some technicality. i don't spend much time at steve's comments section because there isn't much action - and i strongly suspect that there is an op at play as well.
all the og warrior moms who have been in this since before del bigtree existed are the real role models here.. looking at how the first round of the lethal injection campaign completely tanked when it came down to preschoolers and infants, i think there's hope. trouble is that big harma is pivoting to mrna for the entire childhood vax schedule and that's going to be much harder to resist. we have a slog ahead of us.
The big picture great reset is the stuff that comes into view for me. If you cannot control what is injected into your body and other people can dictate how you earn units of exchange for basic survival it is game over. So I tend to leapfrog that whole debate and any that divides the same side. Do you want a future for humanity that does not involve slavery for the masses or do you not?
agreed. covid totalitarianism is so insidious that some of us get caught up in it. it was time to move on a year ago. hell, two years ago. and tptb are wise to that, so they're pivoting too. all the infrastructure is in place - the vaxxport, "smart" meters, ad nauseum and the distractions are flying fast and furious. but i also think this is as much a time of a great unraveling as it is a great awakening - tptb are far from united and the cracks are showing. we just need to take advantage of them. that's how the light gets in - leonard cohen...
agreed! it's finding those cracks...
The only one of these there is no virus people that I have ever read or followed was Jon Rapopport, and I don't recall a single thing regarding not seeking medical care or anything of the sort. It seemed to be more of a thought experiment on other things that could cause the symptoms of covid including air pollution, panic, hospital treatments making things worse, et cetera. Part of the medical freedom movement should be about, well, medical freedom. So if some of the there is no virus people are actively trying to block or discourage a treatment that a patient actually wants, then I'd have to suppose that they are ops working against the movement.
This opinion will be a giant hit!
But...honestly the not a virus vs. virus gives us all something to rant and rave about, but the Trump thing is far, far more problematic.
It's not like the NAV/V are going to unite and all vote for some Savior, and if they did...it would still have to come from the Rep. Party, who are the only ones remotely "resisting" and in a pretty chickenshit fashion, to be clear. Overall.
And so even if this circle jerk of disparate souls were corralled they will then run into the unfortunate fact that this lone guy will split that vote again.
the enemy of my enemy also wants me to take the shots!
Some guy on Celia's board said, "nobody cares if Trump pushes the shots'
That's the "team". 🤪
woot woot! Go TEAM!
The NAV people can be very polarizing. I've seen time and time again where somebody who got very sick with Covid, say, who seemed to be having a productive discussion on some aspect of the broader con/unsafe and ineffective vaccines, health freedom et cetera basically feels shut down and threatened by a person who interjects with some variation of it's just the flu, bro, or it was all in your head. Which often starts a how dare you argument because it is wholesale rejecting the other person's lived experience. I'm struck by how similar this is to the vaccine injured's experiences being gaslit and unacknowledged by the medical profession...Regarding what percentage of the population is really NAV, I prefer my 7 point scale to a yes/no dichotomy. There aren't going to be to many pure 7 the virus is a social construct all in your head types, but I see a lot of people who believe that aspects of psychology are going to influence it.
We have no real metric to determine the scope of the NAV contingent.
My sense is that it is relatively tiny when compared to the ENTIRE populace.
It's hard to tell, b/c much like Twitter deciding what is "trending" for each "mark", errrr...reader...it is clear that we can get a greatly distorted view based on Astro Turf.
I had never heard of the no-viruses theory until about a month ago. I have no set opinion on the matter. But reading the comments in Celia's post, I recognized something. I mentioned it on Sage Hana's post,
"from my youth growing up in evangelical churches, one of which was just this side of a cult. It smelled like zealotry willing to spite the whole world for one's truth."
That's a great quote!
The reason that we can't get along is that we were never friends or "allies" to begin with.
I suppose. But what then does make friends or allies? My unfriend (I might write a collage of compliance about her; true dyed in the wool virtue signaler) seemed to be trying to build this alliance of 'the people who escaped Toledo High' but ironically she was actively tearing it down at the same time. why? What are the motivations?
Shared history helps.
The analogue to your example would be if LA friend had another friend from her restaurant who showed up and slapped your face and accused you of stealing her purse and then asking why can't you get along with her?
There's some truth there. I was raised by wolves and therefore do not reflexively say okay to BFFs that say "I was betrayed by this other person you need to support me and not like them." I ask more skeptical questions like "Did this person really betray you?" Which makes me a jerk. ;-) I'm so why can't we all just get along that I end up with nobody getting along with me. :-P
You are an independent thinker.
And as such, you have tolerance for other independent thinkers. And thus I know that you will tolerate another point that Insufferable Sage will make! 😅
I don't necessarily want astrology people coaching us up on Covid any more than I want plumbers gauging whether Fisher Price wings on an airplane will hold.
There's no need to read my as of yet unformed opinion on 'Covid by the Signs.' Though I see no harm in exploring in any healing modality with an open mind, but if you lack belief then it wouldn't work regardless on you. I find that a bit different from driving across a bridge engineered by a singer or flying in an airplane built by a clown. We've already seen the results of letting clowns rule the world...it ain't pretty
Oh...I'll read it. I read all of your stuff. You're my favorite Stacker in a landslide!
And yes, the "experts" tanked badly on this. 100% agree.
Point is that a level of credibility is conferred to people who bestow upon themselves a Dunning Kruger level of expertise.
This was the root of Steve's criticism in the post where he and Not a Virus Scarf
Wearing Astrology Guy agreed that an interloper was present.
And this is how we get to Cleo from Psychic Friends Network or the Rolfer that lives two doors down sussing out that the problem is Snake Venom poisoning the world's water supply.
Yes I'm just riffing.
I don't see why the "there is no virus" and "there is a virus" groups can't cooperate on things. We should all maximize our ability to work with people on important issues regardless of differences. There are people I interact with locally that have all kinds of bizzare beliefs I disagree with, I just try to kindly back up my position when it's not relevant.
When the lockdowns began I told myself then that I was willing to work with anyone (I had a stereotype of my worst enemy at the time) regardless of their past as long as they were willing to work to stop *this*. Which is my primary motivation for writing Tools of the Technocracy.
I agree that there are a ton of uncross-able "red lines" that almost all of us agree on (mandates, treatments, censorship, ect) regardless of personal preferences on other topics. I think there can be more "teams" in the movement though. Not everyone has to be behind the same banner and ideally similar-minded groups would still be interested in cooperating on important initiatives.
I agree wholeheartedly. A lot of this infighting is not relevant to the bigger goals. some on the no virus side sincerely believe that the entire germ paradigm needs to be dismantled so that we never have to undergo this type of assault on freedom again. I don't go that far and am more about the larger assault on freedom. I'm tolerant of virtually anyone's opinion as long as it doesn't enroach on my choices...
Prayers for healing for your son...
I have followed the cases of many parents whose children were intractably vaccine injured meaning they never seemed to get better. Others showed relief with vitamin and mineral supplementation, gluten free diets, chelation et cetera. That is why I thought Steve Kirsch should put up a challenge to find the best healing protocols for the vaccine injured: these intractable cases have existed since before Covid jabs. I've followed some and even donated to a few charity campaigns regarding personal cases in the past. For some people you can not unjab: I was lucky with my daughter that she slowly normalized and became the wonderful teenager that she is today. My first husband never really got relief after his jabs for immigration. This is a very real risk that exists in the entire theory of vaccination: if you put something in the body that should cause an immune response in the future to that thing, if something goes wrong the immune response can become an attack on itself that goes on in perpetuity. My greatest interest in this area lately is mitochondrial dysfunction and wireless 5g/magnetic radiation. But sometimes all you can do is pray, which is a manifestation of physical intent. Perhaps it doesn't matter, but it does to me. I'm not a fan of insisting that night is day or day is night to get along with anyone. Does that fail to acknowledge someone else's feelings that night is day? I think that stops at my feelings. Otherwise it just becomes an exercise of raw power and brute force to compel correct answers even when they are wrong
I have never cared for Trump. At best I have a slight preference for him over Biden, but I don't think that's saying much. I'm glad I haven't dealt with any real real dumb Trumpists at the rate they're going I'm likely to win the Biden fans over first. It's all designed to do the same thing: they lie to you, bluntly and repeatedly, you play hero ball after they robbed you blind and took your life. It's unconscionable to support Trump with his still love of the vaccines. They lied and we need to stop fighting each other...