I was sort of thinking this - by keeping the conception date vague, it avoids a situation where the “father” suddenly has questions because he was out of town that week.
That very well could be an ostensible reasons that healthcare workers were given to do this: to potentially protect the woman in cases where she might have been unfaithful. In my specific case it was explained so poorly to Oh that the dating had the exact opposite effect: I hadn't done anything with anybody else but him in like a year but got stamped with the accusation. So even that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny...
This might be part of a wider cultural phenomenon where people have come to value certainty so much that they prefer to be certainly wrong than vaguely right.
I remember weather forecasts that used to have temperature intervals; nowadays, most forecasters would just spew out a single figure.
LOL there could be some truth to that! But you'd think with ultrasound being able to very accurately map out what's going on there that they would have a good idea down to the day...
if you track your ovulation for a period of time, it helps you get more in tune with your cycles and body, so you don't have to do that quite as diligently.... you just "know." It's so obvious, the day of ovulation. You can also track your ebb and flow of desire. Then you are back in touch with your intuition. Birth control pills are the worst thing for women -- totally puts us out of touch with our natural selves.
I agree totally on the birth control pills thing. I think that's another conspiracy as it were. I do track ovulation and natural ebbs and flows and am in full agreement. I'll go with what I'm feeling...
I agree on the ovulation deal…though I am way past that stage of my life…when a woman ‘ovulates’ it is likely the time of high desire to ‘connect’ sexually with someone or a partner. It’s part of the ‘innate cycle’ in women. I still remember that part of the ‘menstrual cycle’!
I’ll have to look into this. I’m fairly certain that midwives doing out of hospital births would have strong incentive to date to conception and not last period. Women are shunted into a higher risk category when they step beyond 41 weeks gestation and midwives have to refer them to an in hospital OB. It’s a real racket and midwives hate it but they can lose licensure if they don’t. Yet another good reason to work with a midwife and plan an out of hospital birth.
That's a fascinating data point on the midwives and the past due thing! That could be its own racket to keep midwives out of the loop. I think midwives are the best option though with my past history should I become pregnant again that would not be an option for me: I've now had two C-sections, but the reasons for the C-sections would necissitate a surgical team on hand: in Jasmine's case I was diagnosed with cephalopelvic disproportion ie she got stuck in the birth canal. She was 8 pounds 10 ounces at birth 4 kilograms I was knocked out completely for it and she had bruises all over her face from getting stuck and being wrenched out. I would have died in childbirth without modern medical care with her. I was dilated at 0 four hours of labor later. In Eliza's case after 8 hours of labor after my water broke I was also still dilated at 0. The surgeon talked to me and my husband that she thought it would be a risky and very long labor process so the worry was about the baby (Eliza was born 7 pounds 2 ounces). I am pretty sure I have scar tissue over the opening of my cervix...
Being the only one of my family conceived in Timmins, Canada but born in beautiful scenic Detroit, I know at least this fact re my conception. I think the first error was letting male doctors in on the whole childbirth scene, their main contributions to birthing are all negative. I am willing to bet most doctors are generally grossed out by women's bodies and want to know as little as possible about them.
that's a sweet family pic, eliza's expression is priceless
i'm sure there's a microsoft implant in development (pun intended) that will be able to figure out the exact second of conception. and then release the abortion chemical. guessing that gates owns the patent and that the registration contains some 6's
I like it. Besides, verisimilitude is great, but reality is perfect. And let’s call it “authentic dialect.” “Broken” makes it sound like it’s broken, which it ain’t.
Wow… now that is a disparaging comment. I live near the border of the US and Mexico and I speak Spanish…I hear conversations all the time between two Spanish speakers , or a Mom and her kids (that are bilingual) and they are peppered with ‘Spanglish’, which is a combination of Spanish and English ‘made up’ words (words that don’t exist either in English or Spanish)…and all along the US Mexican border you hear ‘Spanglish’ being spoken by native Spanish speakers (primarily Mexicans) who also speak English. It’s just a form of ‘regional colloquial speaking’.
I would say the ‘Pidgin English’ that Amy speaks of is, when referring to speaking with her husband Oh, is also a ‘regional colloquial version’ of speaking in Thailand.
You are correct about the regional colloquial speaking. This was my husband and due to language differences we evolved ways of talking to each other to get our point across as many people in families do. Often when I tried to speak well educated English to Thai people it turned out I was unintentionally hilarious as they would hear a word in English that had a close equivalent in Thai language with a completely different meaning...
It never occurred to me that “women remember when their period started better than they do the sex.” Without question, “(that’s depressing).” But if that means I’m conceivably younger than I’ve been told, I’m cool with it. (Sorry, Dad.)
I remember my Mom telling me when she knew she had ‘conceived’ my twin brother and me…it was a lazy Sunday afternoon in January, a bit less than a month after my parents were married on December 28, 1951. 😉🥰
I definitely do remember the conception date and the activities that led to the conception of my daughter, and this was 28 years ago. When women ovulate we have more desire and more likely to initiate. When the doctor asked for the date of last period, I gave them the conception date. My daughter was born exactly on her due date.
LOL that's an interesting way to get around the problem! Just tell them your last period started around the time of conception! Well done! I can't say I was definitive with either of my girls because we were doing a lot together around the time period but this is something I will note...
I would add that the arbitrary date setting could also contribute to scheduling the baby extraction a bit early for the convenience of the medic. they do like to induce labor artificially based on a schedule from what I've read
That particular rabbit hole has gone pretty deep with me as both of my daughters were late, Jasmine by 15 days and Eliza by 7. In both cases they pressured me to do a C-section but I went through natural labor and then ended up with a C-section anyways, though in both cases I am fully understanding of the reasons for it. In Jasmine's case I am pretty sure that I would not have lived through childbirth and I doubt she would have either!
I wouldn't think it would be that hard for them to date accurately with all of the stuff that they can tell you from ultrasounds, say. My older daughter was also conceived on a holiday, in her case US Thanksgiving November 24 of that year. She was also dated as a few weeks later but it wasn't quite as hard to get the information from the staff...
There are so many rackets in medicine and the childbirth racket is lucrative! It does sound like scar tissue and there are many causes besides the LEEP procedure(which is the only cause admitted by most OBs.)The good news is that there are effective remedies for that, one of which is castor oil soaked tampons. Another is prostaglandin containing substances (avoid evening primrose as it can increase chances of premature rupture of membranes)placed on the cervix. Manual techniques to break up these adhesions is also very effective. A true mismatch between the size of your pelvis and your baby’s head is not common though it does happen. More often it’s tension in the pelvic floor combined with baby’s position. Midwives of skill often have remedies and deep wisdom that can resolve so many issues that OBs are clueless about. Also, the things that cause scarring of the cervix are mostly things that are given to or done to women by the medical industry. Birth control pills, IUD, LEEP or other procedure after an abnormal pap, plan B use, etc. Your body is not defective. Like all of us, you’ve been interfered with in one way or another, most likely. I am glad you had the option for c-section though as there’s absolutely nothing wrong with using it to keep you and baby safe. I say all of this to offer you options for the future, should you want more babies as well as for others reading this. So many procedures and medical substances can interrupt our natural processes and yet there are remedies.
And what about figuring out when to birth a child where there are problems? I know someone who had a very dangerous pregnancy. She nearly died with the first, but tried again. They didn't want her to go full term. But when would be the right time that was the earliest to keep both mother and baby safe? That two weeks could make a world of difference. Or on the other end, if a baby is going to come way too late. I'm not saying somewhat late if the baby is small, etc. I don't know the mechanics of all this, but there are times when being exact could save a life or two.
One would assume that knowing the exact time would be potentially lifesaving and life affirming...pregnancy and childbirth is a risky business and always has been. Here's to Moms all over who have made the sacrifice
Not specifically dating the event of conception does seem like a prostitute's way of 'blaming whoever is most profitable.'
I was sort of thinking this - by keeping the conception date vague, it avoids a situation where the “father” suddenly has questions because he was out of town that week.
That very well could be an ostensible reasons that healthcare workers were given to do this: to potentially protect the woman in cases where she might have been unfaithful. In my specific case it was explained so poorly to Oh that the dating had the exact opposite effect: I hadn't done anything with anybody else but him in like a year but got stamped with the accusation. So even that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny...
This might be part of a wider cultural phenomenon where people have come to value certainty so much that they prefer to be certainly wrong than vaguely right.
I remember weather forecasts that used to have temperature intervals; nowadays, most forecasters would just spew out a single figure.
And don't get me started on economic forecasts.
LOL there could be some truth to that! But you'd think with ultrasound being able to very accurately map out what's going on there that they would have a good idea down to the day...
if you track your ovulation for a period of time, it helps you get more in tune with your cycles and body, so you don't have to do that quite as diligently.... you just "know." It's so obvious, the day of ovulation. You can also track your ebb and flow of desire. Then you are back in touch with your intuition. Birth control pills are the worst thing for women -- totally puts us out of touch with our natural selves.
I agree totally on the birth control pills thing. I think that's another conspiracy as it were. I do track ovulation and natural ebbs and flows and am in full agreement. I'll go with what I'm feeling...
I agree on the ovulation deal…though I am way past that stage of my life…when a woman ‘ovulates’ it is likely the time of high desire to ‘connect’ sexually with someone or a partner. It’s part of the ‘innate cycle’ in women. I still remember that part of the ‘menstrual cycle’!
😉😀🥰
I’ll have to look into this. I’m fairly certain that midwives doing out of hospital births would have strong incentive to date to conception and not last period. Women are shunted into a higher risk category when they step beyond 41 weeks gestation and midwives have to refer them to an in hospital OB. It’s a real racket and midwives hate it but they can lose licensure if they don’t. Yet another good reason to work with a midwife and plan an out of hospital birth.
That's a fascinating data point on the midwives and the past due thing! That could be its own racket to keep midwives out of the loop. I think midwives are the best option though with my past history should I become pregnant again that would not be an option for me: I've now had two C-sections, but the reasons for the C-sections would necissitate a surgical team on hand: in Jasmine's case I was diagnosed with cephalopelvic disproportion ie she got stuck in the birth canal. She was 8 pounds 10 ounces at birth 4 kilograms I was knocked out completely for it and she had bruises all over her face from getting stuck and being wrenched out. I would have died in childbirth without modern medical care with her. I was dilated at 0 four hours of labor later. In Eliza's case after 8 hours of labor after my water broke I was also still dilated at 0. The surgeon talked to me and my husband that she thought it would be a risky and very long labor process so the worry was about the baby (Eliza was born 7 pounds 2 ounces). I am pretty sure I have scar tissue over the opening of my cervix...
Being the only one of my family conceived in Timmins, Canada but born in beautiful scenic Detroit, I know at least this fact re my conception. I think the first error was letting male doctors in on the whole childbirth scene, their main contributions to birthing are all negative. I am willing to bet most doctors are generally grossed out by women's bodies and want to know as little as possible about them.
They suppressed midwives as much as they did any type of traditional doctors when the AMA was spreading its wings...this is probably true...
that's a sweet family pic, eliza's expression is priceless
i'm sure there's a microsoft implant in development (pun intended) that will be able to figure out the exact second of conception. and then release the abortion chemical. guessing that gates owns the patent and that the registration contains some 6's
“Me and Kuhn Joe finished a long time!” Why do you speak (and then transcribe) broken english?
I spoke broken English to Oh at the time so what I said is easiest to remember as what I said
I like it. Besides, verisimilitude is great, but reality is perfect. And let’s call it “authentic dialect.” “Broken” makes it sound like it’s broken, which it ain’t.
I hope the point comes across at any rate...
Because that was how they were speaking at the time…remember Oh’s ‘first language’ was not English! 🤔🤨
Yes, of course. That makes perfect sense. I often speak in broken english to people who don't speak english well, for amusement.
Wow… now that is a disparaging comment. I live near the border of the US and Mexico and I speak Spanish…I hear conversations all the time between two Spanish speakers , or a Mom and her kids (that are bilingual) and they are peppered with ‘Spanglish’, which is a combination of Spanish and English ‘made up’ words (words that don’t exist either in English or Spanish)…and all along the US Mexican border you hear ‘Spanglish’ being spoken by native Spanish speakers (primarily Mexicans) who also speak English. It’s just a form of ‘regional colloquial speaking’.
I would say the ‘Pidgin English’ that Amy speaks of is, when referring to speaking with her husband Oh, is also a ‘regional colloquial version’ of speaking in Thailand.
You are correct about the regional colloquial speaking. This was my husband and due to language differences we evolved ways of talking to each other to get our point across as many people in families do. Often when I tried to speak well educated English to Thai people it turned out I was unintentionally hilarious as they would hear a word in English that had a close equivalent in Thai language with a completely different meaning...
Ah, you good speak english. Like me that.
You are a bit of a horse’s a**. Perhaps more like “me like that”…you can’t even do it correctly if you tried.😵💫
Hey, you don't have to dump all over me just because I'm not a professional borken englished speaker! Geez.
It never occurred to me that “women remember when their period started better than they do the sex.” Without question, “(that’s depressing).” But if that means I’m conceivably younger than I’ve been told, I’m cool with it. (Sorry, Dad.)
I remember my Mom telling me when she knew she had ‘conceived’ my twin brother and me…it was a lazy Sunday afternoon in January, a bit less than a month after my parents were married on December 28, 1951. 😉🥰
I definitely do remember the conception date and the activities that led to the conception of my daughter, and this was 28 years ago. When women ovulate we have more desire and more likely to initiate. When the doctor asked for the date of last period, I gave them the conception date. My daughter was born exactly on her due date.
LOL that's an interesting way to get around the problem! Just tell them your last period started around the time of conception! Well done! I can't say I was definitive with either of my girls because we were doing a lot together around the time period but this is something I will note...
I would add that the arbitrary date setting could also contribute to scheduling the baby extraction a bit early for the convenience of the medic. they do like to induce labor artificially based on a schedule from what I've read
That particular rabbit hole has gone pretty deep with me as both of my daughters were late, Jasmine by 15 days and Eliza by 7. In both cases they pressured me to do a C-section but I went through natural labor and then ended up with a C-section anyways, though in both cases I am fully understanding of the reasons for it. In Jasmine's case I am pretty sure that I would not have lived through childbirth and I doubt she would have either!
Interesting, and weird that they don’t date accurately.
I wouldn't think it would be that hard for them to date accurately with all of the stuff that they can tell you from ultrasounds, say. My older daughter was also conceived on a holiday, in her case US Thanksgiving November 24 of that year. She was also dated as a few weeks later but it wasn't quite as hard to get the information from the staff...
Exactly. Great point.
There are so many rackets in medicine and the childbirth racket is lucrative! It does sound like scar tissue and there are many causes besides the LEEP procedure(which is the only cause admitted by most OBs.)The good news is that there are effective remedies for that, one of which is castor oil soaked tampons. Another is prostaglandin containing substances (avoid evening primrose as it can increase chances of premature rupture of membranes)placed on the cervix. Manual techniques to break up these adhesions is also very effective. A true mismatch between the size of your pelvis and your baby’s head is not common though it does happen. More often it’s tension in the pelvic floor combined with baby’s position. Midwives of skill often have remedies and deep wisdom that can resolve so many issues that OBs are clueless about. Also, the things that cause scarring of the cervix are mostly things that are given to or done to women by the medical industry. Birth control pills, IUD, LEEP or other procedure after an abnormal pap, plan B use, etc. Your body is not defective. Like all of us, you’ve been interfered with in one way or another, most likely. I am glad you had the option for c-section though as there’s absolutely nothing wrong with using it to keep you and baby safe. I say all of this to offer you options for the future, should you want more babies as well as for others reading this. So many procedures and medical substances can interrupt our natural processes and yet there are remedies.
And what about figuring out when to birth a child where there are problems? I know someone who had a very dangerous pregnancy. She nearly died with the first, but tried again. They didn't want her to go full term. But when would be the right time that was the earliest to keep both mother and baby safe? That two weeks could make a world of difference. Or on the other end, if a baby is going to come way too late. I'm not saying somewhat late if the baby is small, etc. I don't know the mechanics of all this, but there are times when being exact could save a life or two.
One would assume that knowing the exact time would be potentially lifesaving and life affirming...pregnancy and childbirth is a risky business and always has been. Here's to Moms all over who have made the sacrifice