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TFish's avatar

I posted this to Sage’s stack a while ago, but I think it contains much of my sentiments.

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RFK Jr. comes from political pedigree, so I think it’s part of his lens, his programming, if you will. Not in a nefarious sense, but must be acknowledged as a fundamental aspect of how he sees the world. He is, no doubt, cognizant of the failings and limitations of the system (having observed the fates of his father and uncle), but there’s a deep seat of hope in him. A hope that believes that change is possible.

I am much more pessimistic. Not about humanity, so much as the potential to redirect a deeply deeply compromised apparatus. And that’s what it is—an apparatus. Eventually, hopefully soonish, people will realize that this scaffold is fundamentally broken. Patching and splinting it, hacking it, is not only unrealistic, but ignores the reality of the depth of the brokenness. The mechanisms of control are too deeply seated, the layers and counter layers set to disarm the motives for change have subsumed any potential for ‘reform’.

The kind of changes a significant segment of the population yearns for exists outside the apparatus. Manifesting this doesn’t require the apparatus because it comes from the human soul. People just don’t believe in it, really believe in it.

The greatest trick politics plays is making one believe that possibilities only exist within the apparatus. That’s the frame. That’s the lens they want everyone to see the world through—because that’s where they control all the levers.

All of that said, RFK Jr is important because he manifests a courage that feeds the imagination. And until such time that the public is ready to let go of the apparatus, it will continue to frame (and limit) our imagination.

In the end, I think it will not matter if he chooses a blue, red, or other colored coat to wear. As ever, the apparatus will not let such an individual step up to the levers of power. Looking forward, his contribution may end up being that of a beacon—to ignite conversation, dialogue, and spark courage and imagination. But likely a beacon only, an unrealized dream.

All that said, in light of what appears to be an emptying hourglass, I fear time is not with us, and political change is much too slow to grapple with the rapacious beasts that are already culling.

Not wanting to be overly doom-oriented and in the interest of optimism:

Perhaps, just maybe, a beacon could serve to awaken belief in the necessity of imagining a different path, particularly for those who still cling to the apparatus like a psychic life preserver. Perhaps it could be the thing which draws just enough to achieve a true tipping point.

It’s not a terrible thing to hold out hope.

It is challenging to look at elections as any kind of meaningful action given what we know. Simultaneously, it is meaningful for many, and that makes the symbolism likely more important than the outcome.

That’s a pickle for critical thinkers and people who have delved and devoted serious thought into the workings of the machine.

One thing this whole journey has taught, I think, is how important belief truly is for everyone. There’s a deep yearning for finding good in our actions and choices. I think this has played, and continues to play, a significant part in the early embrace of the shots and propaganda.

Elections are very similar in many respects. There is the hero seeking aspect, no doubt. But there is also something else—it’s a yearning for hope, the potential for something better.

The challenge will be realizing that the hope doesn’t lie in the mechanisms of the apparatus, but within our collective selves.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

That was an incredibly thoughtful response and I agree entirely. I read through some of the comments on Save Hana's post but I missed yours. I saw some rage over death by hospital and death by vaccine which is boiling under the surface. At the end of the day RFK Jr didn't kill them and can't save them. It would come down to a nurse in a hospital being ordered to give a deadly product to patients and just saying no.

I think most of us are aware that the emperor has no clothes. The elections are rigged and unfixable but the chance to move the discourse to a higher level still exists. I agree that Kennedy represents that at a bare minimum symbolically.

You are also correct that people need to feel like they are good people. That's why the meaning of most things slowly got flipped on its head. Now if you promote depopulation your saving the world! Everybody can be a hero just by taking a vaccine! It was nefarious.

They've blurred the lines but black is still black...

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TFish's avatar

There is much to be both saddened and angered by, of that there is no doubt. This is in some respects, like many complex things: people want things to be simple and direct. As in, “the whole truth and nothing but the truth”…but there Jack Nicholson’s onscreen rant rings out: “You can’t handle the truth!” Sort of. The general voting public, almost certainly. In my mind, I think it’s important to consider who RFK Jr’s target audience is. It’s not Sasha Latypova or JJ Couey, or anyone deeply read on the last three years. It’s the middle third of the country. Those people aren’t going to be moved by angry vengeance, and neither does that imply that such is not deserving. But this isn’t truth-telling—it’s political campaigning. An *entirely* different animal.

I think you’re exactly right that this will come down to individuals. That’s the true seat of freedom, and the only place of authenticity from which real truth can be spoken.

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kitten seeking answers's avatar

he rubs elbows with All the ‘Elites’… venturing a guess he’s more ‘them’ than ‘us’… the whole system is rigged to the max… we don’t vote, we pretend to vote.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

Probably if he made a strong run, the DNC would trot out the "superdelegates" option.

Then the election fraud option.

Then Option #3.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

Rinse and repeat...

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

Not support, reason as follows.

Kennedy's grandfather approved of a collectivist and fascist organized state, National socialist Germany and Hitler. I will find where I read it years ago , but he expressed admiration for the above while Hitler was in power.

A penchant for collectivism just might run in above all a left leaning political family.

Therefore One health global rule might seem appealing to Kennedy, if by himself endowed with the right and righteous spirit. Beware, everyone.

Also, he feels the climate needs defending and saving.

Also, he feels guns are dangerous.

Trump may be extremely problematic.

But he pulled out of WHO.

And he would probably not restrain gun rights. For these reasons he seems less dangerous to me than Kennedy.

Unarmed citizenries fared bad under pandemic states of emergencies.

Unarmed under One health regime... Imagine it for a moment. Kennedy however can relate to the official purpose of that regime. And already his grandfather was fascinated by a real existing collectivism.

Beware.

BBC reported on jfk (so here son not father) diary as follows:

"A diary kept by President John F Kennedy as a young man travelling in Europe, revealing his fascination with Adolf Hitler, is up for auction.

Kennedy, then 28, predicted "Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived"."

A lot of inclinations, and pragmatic selfpreserving as opposed to selfsacrificing altruistic decision-making under stress and under stress the true colors show (Chappaquiddick), run in that family. Not judging. Just pointing out that that kind of inclinations is not advantageous for us.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

I cannot get over operation warp speed. That flaw is too fatal for me on Trump. I think any type of major gun grab in the USA would be the opening salvo in a legitimate civil war...

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

I understand.

I think elections are rigged. I think not casting a vote at all, doesn't improve the situation. I think what is best is being very dispassionate and pragmatic. Keeping in mind what they did before, then selecting the either least-dangerous seeming candidate or the candidate that seems to be slower in wanting to implement dangerous policies.

Trump started Warp speed. He also insisted that people not reading between his lines, and not wanting light therapy (how funny they found it) and hydroxy chloroquine sulphate, should be free to go ahead and inject themselves with what they wanted. He stressed however that this should remain a free choice.

I see him as a pragmatic preserver of freedoms under difficult circumstances. I saw enough actions that I liked.

Especially once CBDC comes but also without that, I don't anticipate an effective opposition once a gun grab is orchestrated efficiently.

Safer to bet on someone who is less likely to even want to.take guns and who does not even want to join the One health regime for which the party of Kennedy submitted the major part of the draft! Trump did Warp speed but just to punish him, one gives one's vote to who may cause two big new problems....? Trump doesn't feel punished by not getting votes of people who are disappointed that he approved Warp speed.

But people who give that vote to a gun skeptic who fears for the climate (or rationalizes, legitimizes that way his penchant for collectivism?) are hurting themselves not Trump when they make a gun loving and anti collectivist who skeptic Trump pay for his warp speed.

When Trump loses, he goes on being happy. When Trump loses, we get One Health because it's good for us. Kennedy senior and jfk already liked the National Socialist One Health.

That family is fascinated with collectivism. Nice people who are fascinated with collectivism are nice but also dangerous to freedom.

It is safer to keep to people who are immune to that fascination.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

For now I'm just watching the show. I would love it if RFK Jr does talk about his views on climate change and guns. The election itself I think is terribly rigged so I don't put much stock in it. But I'd love to see the discourse move to a higher level. The jab genocide is still ongoing and needs to be addressed, and not in a tone deaf vaccines saved millions of lives moving on type of way...

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Michael Framson's avatar

Amy--Where is your book I saw mentioned "Secret Marriage"? Was it mentioned in one of your newsletters? I am so far behind--I don't even read the funnies anymore. My mood has a lot to do with it, sort of "what's the point". Everybody I communicate already knows whats going on and another great meme is just another great meme that stays in that closed circle of those that know.

The Fourth Turning show we are watching-living-reading is in the process; exactly which episode, unknown.

It seems the line-up is RFK Jr., Trump, DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy and Blackrock, MSM, DOD, CIA, FBI, Ukraine, WEF, Digital Currency,China. No matter what the first 4 are, the last 9 are always in the mix.

That's how I arrange the pieces.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

I never linked to that book on my newsletter I published in 2021 to basically no fanfare. It was the opposite my uncle couldn't find the book when searching by my name and title. Sometimes memes serve as a quick sketch I suppose but it's more about opening up discourse. There's always powers steering behind the scenes

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Michael Framson's avatar

Sixty seconds of memes are worth any hour of "The News". You have to get the memes out there for discourse to open and that has been the crux of the problem--You can't.

For example: About 2018 or so, an organization in Oregon focused on "vaccine safety" rented a giant highway billboard in several places in Oregon. The authorities, medical groups, were outraged and put pressure on the company that owns the billboards and it less than 2-3 weeks the signs were taken down. That same scenario played out in other states as well.

You can't get a memed message out in the public where Amy's, Sage's private knowledge becomes public knowledge.

The only work around that I've come up with, I had a T-shirt made with a test message on the back. Its an upside down American flag with this text below:

Its not left vs right

Its not liberal vs conservative

Its good vs evil (with evil bold and italic) $17.00 I haven't worn it enough but so far no comments. We are just getting into T-shirt weather.

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Howard's avatar

Trump pulled out of WHO and pulled in (with more $$, I believe) to GAVI. Sort of as quickly as hostages in Iran held for a year being released hours after a new president takes office in 1981.

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

The analogy with the hostages is beyond me (honestly I don't get it) but the Gavi thing sounds bad indeed.

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Howard's avatar

October Surprise, pre-planned, DISHONEST, INSINCERE, etc. Plenty of good stuff out there on the topic.

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

I'll look it up, sounds interesting, I knew there was a hostage crisis once but nothing about its complexity

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nymusicdaily's avatar

trump pulled out of WHO and gave the money to gates and GAVI

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

Yes, but where exactly is the analogy, what exactly is the tertium comparationis... I will have to look into the search words that Howard listed below...

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Aoratos's avatar

I do not believe he is a Trojan horse, but I do believe he is currently useful to the enemy without posing much threat, and that they will discard him once done.

Two things have been observable in the weeks following his announcement that he was thinking of running:

1. The mainstream media have used him to further discredit Covid jab injury awareness. Those who think RFK will bring compelling talking points to the table should bear in mind that liberal normies see him as being completely nuts and will not listen to a word he says. If anything, it will strengthen their belief that this is just a load of conspiracy nonsense.

2. There has been a very strong and effective anti-Trump operation within the patriot/truth community, focusing on operation Warp Speed, with hashtags on Telegram such as #trumpvaxgenocide. Now regardless of one thinks of Operation Warp Speed, it is very important to note that this is being weaponized against him by Deep State shills, in order to weaken him as he is still seen as a threat. Some very smart and patriotic people such as Mike Adams or Greg Reese (even Alex Jones) have surprisingly turned their backs on Trump. Mike Adams openly supports RFK and disses Trump because "he can't get past Operation Warp Speed" – okay, but those who followed Adams and Jones at the time of the election steal know that this a big about-turn.

Something happened, I believe the Deep State lets them keep their shows, audience and assets in exchange for encouraging a "never-Trump" stance within their audience.

So to me, that's pretty much the size of it. RFK doesn't stand a chance of winning the Democrat primary, but he is used by the Establishment to discredit jab injury awareness and weaken Trump.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

It could be then again propoganda against antivaxxees or whatever has been the dog whistle of Democrats for so long that some should have "At least I wasn't an antivaxxer" written on their tombstone. I never voted for Trump actually I've never once voted for a mainstream political candidate. I did like Ron Paul. I also preferred Trump to Biden but that is as far as I took it. The fallout from the jabs is the easiest attack angle possible on Trump. There's a lot of anger about this disaster simmering under the surface which is why a lot of people are concerned about climate lockdowns CBDCs and other encroachments. I'm hopeful having an "antivaxxer" candidate at least opens the discourse. It's well past time...

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Michael Framson's avatar

Very wise Amy of Sukwan.

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Amy Harlib's avatar

RFK Jr. has very questionable ties to the global technocrat criminals as Alison McDowell ably documents in Wrench in the Gears (link further down).

Supporting this excellent post with a statement and useful links.

We the People are facing HORRIFYING TECHNOCRATIC PSYCHOPATHY TO DESTROY HUMANITY AND ALL NATURAL LIFE!

It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back!

We must never lose sight of the larger picture of the vile malignance we are fighting against.

CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EVEN WORSE FRAUD THAN THE PLANSCAMDEMIC! SO-CALLED GREEN TECH IS A GIGANTIC SCAM! MINING AND MANUFACTURING 'GREEN' PRODUCTS NEEDS COAL, GAS AND OIL AND MINING RARE MINERALS IS MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY TOXIC AND DESTRUCTIVE THAN LEGACY PRODUCTS. SCREW YOUR DAMNED AGENDA!

There is an insidious global ruling class plot to enslave all life on earth behind all the madness and suffering inflicted on We the People.

How to fight back against this TOTAL SLAVERY!

RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! DITCH THE DAMNED 'SMART' PHONES AND THE DAMNED QR CODES AND GO BACK TO LANDLINES OR FLIP PHONES AND USE CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! INSIST ON CASH! CBDC IS TOTAL SLAVERY!

Other than getting rid of nuclear weapons which I support 100% the rest of the anti-nuclear peace movement and CLIMATE CRISIS propaganda is parroting UN utter GARBAGE, a complete surrender to the ENSLAVEMENT AGENDA by the diabolical despots of Davos - ruling class criminals who lust for total power and control and all of whom should be tried and jailed for life and their malign organizations dismantled: the UN, the WEF, the IMF, the WHO, the BIS, NATO, Blackrock, Vanguard, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, the CFR et al.

There is an evil predator globalist technocratic elite agenda of eugenics/depopulation/genocide using bioweapon poison jabs, war, geoengineering, EMF radiation, starvation and economic collapse - THE GREAT RESET/AGENDA 2030/4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION to get rid of billions of 'useless eaters' and to use nano tech to turn the survivors into ROBOTIZED COMPLIANT SLAVES! WAKE UP AND RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! These are psychopath megalomaniacs who want to play god by turning all life into digitized metaverse mechanistic synthetic biology to be manipulated by their AI algorithms. A more demonic sickening idea is nearly impossible to imagine!

APPALLED AND HORRIFIED AT INSANE TYRANNICAL PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TOTALITARIAN CONTROL! REVERSE THIS NOW!

MAKE THE WORLD AND AMERICA 2019 (comparatively speaking), AND FREE AGAIN!

NO, I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE MORONIC SCARIANT SHMARIANT MONKEYSHINES! WAKE UP ALREADY!

TOTALLY CONDEMN BIDEN AND ALL OTHER POLS WHO HAVE NO POWER TO LAWLESSLY ACT LIKE AN EMPEROR OR DICTATOR AND DECREE JAB CROW 'SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS' FASCIST SEGREGATION/DISCRIMINATION/APARTHEID VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE NUREMBERG CODES AND EVERY CIVIL RIGHT IMAGINABLE.

NO GREEN NEW DEALS OR BUILD BACK BETTER FROM THE CRIMINAL TECHNOCRAT TYRANTS KLAUS SCHWAB AND HIS CRONIES FROM THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.

STOP THE TERRIBLE TYRANNY OF THE TECHNOCRATS GLOBAL AGENDA OF TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AND CONTROL USING THE VIRUS AS EXCUSE AND PROPAGANDA TOOL!

NO MUZZLING STIFLING MASK MANDATES! NO FORCED VACCINES! END TORTUROUS DEVASTATING LOCK DOWNS NOW! I WANT MY LIFE BACK.

https://wrenchinthegears.com

https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com

https://pandemicfacts.info

https://wearehumanwearefree.org/7-days-campaign/

https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/covid-19-roadmap-12-step-plan-to-create-a-totalitarian-new-world-order-were-on-number-8-headed-towards-number-9/

https://questioningcovid.com

https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1581-james-corbett-breaks-down-the-great-reset/

http://www.stopcp.com/GlobalResetPSYOP/GlobalResetPSYOPMindMap.html

https://everydayconcerned.net/2020/09/04/breaking-major-investigative-report-by-association-of-french-reserve-army-officers-finds-covid-19-pandemic-to-have-a-hidden-agenda-for-global-totalitarianism-nanotech-chipping-of-all-5g-irradia/

Pam Popper: https://makeamericansfreeagain.com

Del Bigtree: https://www.brighteon.com/channels/highwire

https://www.technocracy.news

Naomi Wolf: https://dailyclout.io

www.nojabforme.info

https://www.globalresearch.ca/we-must-awaken-from-corona-coma-reject-great-reset-robotic-technocracy-assert-common-humanity/5745213

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nymusicdaily's avatar

Amy - you should reapply to chd! i'm sure they're hiring, with your resume, it's a no-brainer. you'll elevate them, i can't think of more of a win/win

good call on the rfk global warming video psy-op.

seems to me he's had a series of epiphanies and has nothing to lose. he's definitely movable with data.

let's see how far he can shift the narrative. there's no way he's getting the nomination anyway - look how bernie mopped the floor with killary and still managed to "lose" the primary

think we're getting ahead of ourselves if we assume there's going to be a 2024 election. 2025 plandemic has been in the pipeline for months now and it always starts right around election season. and no tucker to keep dominion honest anymore (that was a joke).

just let's not forget that the rfk anti-vax narrative sets up a slam-dunk for the magic crispr shot. here, look, vax bad, just let us shoot you up with this gunk and you'll be superman.

there are no leaders who can save us, not rfk, not desantis. this is all on us now. the only way we can survive is building from the ground up.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

Perhaps I should apply again! Thanks for the suggestion..

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Linda Hagge's avatar

I suggest everyone read the April 24th interview with RFK2 in Tablet Magazine. When you finish it, you will feel as if you know him and his entire past, warts and all. It's a long read, but worth it. For some reason I can't link it here, but if you go to Tabletmag.com you should have easy access to it. I highly recommend it.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

Thanks for the link!

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charles's avatar

https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/addendum-3-another-former-associate

I highly advise reading his articles on RFK, Jr. Too many red flags to count.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

Actually I linked to Brian Shilhavys expose in my article above. A few things are not true though like where he says that RFK Jr is ONLY against COVID vaccines. I've read several articles by him not only against the cumulative vaccine schedule but taking aim especially against Mercks Gardasil and several others. I think like most people he had an evolution on the topic but he was definitely talking vaccine dangers waaay prior to COVID. I do find the Epstein thing eyebrow raising then again Trump has been there too

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charles's avatar

I apologize for not reading your article as carefully as I should have, and I agree the part about him not being against others vaccines was . . . silly. When he debated (if you can call it that) an admittedly ignorant Alan Dershowitz on vaccines, Covid was not even a thing.

I would not vote for RFK, Jr. on gun control alone. The only thing that has kept America from turning into Canada / Australia / New Zealand has been our access to semi-automatic firearms. The ruling class wants nothing more than to take them from us. I highly suspect that the primary motive for the Las Vegas / Mandalay Bay massacre -- which targeted Trump supporters disproportionately -- was to gather broader support for a semi-automatic gun grab.

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Aoratos's avatar

Great quote by Mel Gibson, by the way. God bless him, and God bless Jim Caviezel. Child trafficking is the scourge of humanity which must be annihilated.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

Absolutely

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Ozkar's avatar

🤣 I know it’s nice to think somebody is coming to ‘clean it all up’ but really?! Common now.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

People are going to have to find out for themselves

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JamesDuff's avatar

Maybe my point of view is MAGA is locked in and everyday the absurdity gets more so. I’d like to see Trump address the vaxx issue, hell id like to see him cut off WHO, nasa and scorch earth this big pharma military digital currency. Me thinks as the dollar collapses, now 3 potential nuclear wars, a demented demonic illegitimate

White House, that is controlled demolition of an America by southern invasion, inflation … I think all Hell is soon to take place. Even if Trump did address this issue this media will not report it correctly. Me thinks that this media the democrats Republican uniparty WEF will soon go like the bud lite and Fox News. Down the drain. We do need to have an honest debate on

The medical tyranny we just suffered through.

RFK I hope will bring this to center stage.

As crazy as this sounds you could have trump

RFK on same team. At this point I see this battle

That is WEF vs the others US Be it MAGA Putin

RFK that shows we are in biblical moment worthy of our full attention prayers and best efforts to be our own Christ in our own zip codes. Just me. Maybe … we need full transparency on many issues.

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JamesDuff's avatar

I am voting Trump. They stole the GD Election. Trump never started a war. As far as RFK goes I have followed him for a long time. He will bring

Up some vaxxine issues that need thorough examination. Good the deep state is being now

Attacked from MAGA and a Democrat. We need transparency to wake up the still sleeping.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

I can understand your perspective I feel good about the conversation at least moving forward on the jabs front. I think Trump is going to have to address it he is alienating his base to do otherwise

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Mckeekitty's avatar

Children's Health Defense should have offered you the position.

Just saying...

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

It was kind of weird because I thought they did! The hiring manager emailed me back with a thank you for your application so I emailed her back asking if any more information was needed. We made small talk in an email thread very friendly. Then I heard nothing. I finally questioned this like five days later and then it was well I had to send your resume to somebody else for review and now out of her hands but you have been great and I'm so honored to have so many qualified candidates. As I said very friendly but a little weird as I thought she was the hiring manager and was offering me the job at first...

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JWM_IN_VA's avatar

Option 4 is embrace and Orange vaxxman bad

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

I liked him until yesterday, when he proposed amnesty for the mass murderers:

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1651343130992492547

"Lots of us are angry about the mandates, the lockdowns, the censorship, the insanity. But we need to avoid the toxic quagmire of retribution and blame and focus on ensuring this never happens again."

We need JUSTICE and if Kennedy is opposed to justice, we should all be opposed to Kennedy.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

Making sure this never happens again is good. Not sure how that would happen if the key players slink off into the shadows

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Yes, that's exactly it.

Forgiving crime just leads to more crime.

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Dr. Flurm Googlybean's avatar

Maybe lean towards support for nomination, if only because a Bobby vs Orange game of chicken could be instructive to watch. Thats why though at least one of them can not get their respective Official Team Jersey.

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

It sounds more interesting than watching Bidens body double say whatever he's supposed to

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Dr. Flurm Googlybean's avatar

I mean IF they are both intending to amputate various pieces of The Monster, it would be fun to see what The Monster does as they race for the axe.

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