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Julie Anderton's avatar

Yes, this bring up a lot of good points...

South Korean government started a dating program, I read about a few years ago bc it sees it will have population issues if things don't change. I think this notion of the fertile sexual relationship is on the decline. A lot of women are deciding that they're perfectly happy single, and just from experience and things I've read I'm inclined to think it's bc know women what is out there, and have determined they're better of alone.

Have you read the book "Why Can't We Sleep?" She interviews a bunch of Gen X women and they describe all of the shitty things they have to put up with from husbands (threatening divorce if she doesn't participate in sexual things she doesn't want to do, or left caring for the new girl friend's cats while her kids celebrate Christmas at the new girlfriend's family). Idk.

I guess there's the men's point of view, too. That movie Joker hit a nerve, people apparently thought was about men who were going their own way or whatever.

Not sure if the cause of this phenomenon is the same as that in the mice experiment....

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Amy Sukwan's avatar

Haven't read the book or seen the Joker movie, but it sounds like par for the course. I've been contemplating the strange trajectory of birth in two Asian countries that don't like each other very much: China and Japan. In one the elites went crazy on intervention to intervention to monkey hammer the population down, and now up (China). They slowly rolled back the one child policy dropping it completely in 2015 and even began encouraging three kids in some places. There was a slight rise in births (probably folks waiting for all restrictions to drop) then births dropped and dropped again then like a stone in 2020 and now the lowest births on record in 2021. Which puts them on pace or even with a lower birthrate than Japan, which did absolutely nothing official to encourage or discourage births, but was the first country to suffer from a demographic cliff. Many Japanese claim to be uninterested in sex, my 15 year old says she heard that Japan has the most adult virgins in the world. This is a country that said no more war after WW2, had no genocide, no famine, very prosperous, and the highest life expectancy in the world. And they have lots of blowup dolls robotics and based on my daughter's anime a lot of seriously pent up sexual aggression. Meanwhile places like Palestine, Iran, and Sub Saharan Africa are still having plenty of babies. So I think the mice expiriment does have some application to human populations. A better question is how to balance purpose and meaning with peace and prosperity. I don't think it's as simple as everyone just having families, and technology is a tool that can go in either direction either distracting from purpose but also capable of creating it. Perhaps why there were no survivalist mice is because mice lack the ability to ponder their own mortality. That comes back to spiritual concerns...

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